Rams going to pay for consistently underdrafting needs

[brasilrams]

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They addressed , to an extent , yes . I don't like our current safeties replacing JJ . Rapp certainly cannot do it , . Maybe Fuller , we will see . About hill , fox and brockers we are counting on a bunch of 4th , 5th and 7th rounders to replace them . Not gonna be easy , I mean these rookies will have big shoes to fill . I am honestly expecting a decrease in our defensive performance . We can pretty much forget about number 1 , imo . Specially with stailey gone ( damn they should have offered him a HUGE pay increase for him to stay on more year )

With Hill.. you have the combination of Long and Rochelle replacing him.
Brockers.. you have the combination of Gaines, Robinson and B Brown replacing him.
I think Earnest Brown is a direct replacement for Fox. I don't expect him to produce like Fox as a rookie, of course... I mean roster spot.
My biggest concern for the Rams D is replacing the sacks lost with Fox/Brockers/Ebukam.

And... Staley isn't staying another year for more $$. That's just not happening.

My biggest concern is the D-line too . Hopefully long and rochelle can fill in for Hill and we won't miss a step. Also gotta Hope Fuller can be at least ALMOST as good as JJ ( again : big shoes to fill ) I seriously think Whoever lines next to ramsey will elevate their game . Kinda like guys playing next to AD that ends up playing much better .

[brasilrams]

I can speak for me only . I was not very concerned about losing him . But I am concerned about losing 4 starters from our number 1 ranked defense and replacing them with 4th , 5th and 7th round rookies . I know rookies will fill in for vets here and there . But 4 at the same time ? that is basically half the defense right there .

2 "starters" in JJ and Brock.
Base Defense.
But.. yeah.. Hill played as many snaps as a starter and Fox played a bunch along with Ebukam.

yeah , hill was basically a starter . Fox a rotational guy but played tons of snaps too . Changing subjects : I was thinking about the money we gave Floyd .I like him a LOT but Wasn't that a bit too much ? I mean if we let him walk , how many of those guys could we have signed ? Maybe we could have kept Hill and JJ ? JJ and fox ? JJ , hill and fox ? I have no idea but this was something I was thinking about .

[brasilrams]

I can speak for me only . I was not very concerned about losing him . But I am concerned about losing 4 starters from our number 1 ranked defense and replacing them with 4th , 5th and 7th round rookies . I know rookies will fill in for vets here and there . But 4 at the same time ? that is basically half the defense right there .

Brockers will be replaced by A Shawn. We have to see how that plays out. Rams drafted Burgess last year and we have to see how he plays out in the secondary. Maybe Rapp bounces back. Fox was a rotational guy, the rams might already have the next Foxx. They might have drafted the next Fox today.
Rams have shown the ability to develop guys and turn them into good players for the rams. Littleton, Hill.and DW to name a few. None were drafted with high picks, the rams grabbed and developed them. JJ was a 3rd rounder and they developed him into a stud. They could do it again this year.

Agree that the rams coaches are very good at developing talent . Can't argue with that . Let's hope they can turn this rookies into studs too .

[brasilrams]

yeah , hill was basically a starter . Fox a rotational guy but played tons of snaps too . Changing subjects : I was thinking about the money we gave Floyd .I like him a LOT but Wasn't that a bit too much ? I mean if we let him walk , how many of those guys could we have signed ? Maybe we could have kept Hill and JJ ? JJ and fox ? JJ , hill and fox ? I have no idea but this was something I was thinking about .

Nope.
Not with the QBs in the Rams division. They needed at least one plus edge player.

But if they let him walk and don't spend the money on him , could that money be used to sign like 3 guys , for example : JJ , hill and fox ? If SO...I don't know what I would choose . Having a good edge rusher is important in our division for sure but keeping our secondary intact ( number 1 rated pass defense ) was also extremely important.

[Cornell29]

Nope.
Not with the QBs in the Rams division. They needed at least one plus edge player.

But if they let him walk and don't spend the money on him , could that money be used to sign like 3 guys , for example : JJ , hill and fox ? If S ...I don't know what I would choose . Having a good edge rusher is important in our division for sure but keeping our secondary intact ( number 1 rated pass defense ) was also extremely important.

The way that Floyd contract is structured you could have got JJ and Fox. Even that would have took JJ making his deal into a 2 year deal with some funky structuring. Floyd contract is really just a two year deal. Not sure how many players you hoped the rams could retain with a two year deal. The rams spent more draft revenue on the secondary, also have had a better knack at developing guys in the secondary then they have a OLB.
So they went with Floyd and trust their ability to develop secondary guys. They did successfully develop, Fuller. JJ, Hill and D Will. I have not seen them have much success developing OLB.

[Ants]

I disagree with the premise of this thread.
Remember all the guys we drafted in the 3-7th rounds the past 3 years that are still on the team? THOSE guys fill the need.
The Rams are a good team and tend to draft well. They draft for upside and quality, not for "need", per se.

[Commish]

"By our standards, by some of our measurements, Tutu is one of the fastest, if not the fastest, player in the draft.” - Les Snead"

And? So?

Are you freakin Al Davis?????

Perhaps he's Az-zahir Hakeem... 8-) :P

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[malibu]

I'm just going to ask what evidence there is that a team with the number one defense in the NFL has a huge need for a position where they have all their players returning, plus an injured starter returning?

I get that people on here want an ILB... but the Rams showed last year... they know what they want to do on D.

Center? That's something I'm really interested in watching play out, not gonna lie.

We have huge needs at defense because we lost 4-5 starters to fa. I don't expect the back ups to fill the role and play as good as our starters were playing. This defense is not gonna be the same by next September. Who is gonna replace brokers, fox, JJ and Troy hill! ??

I know who will replace them it's easy - the WRs we drafted!

[Commish]

I hardly see how we don't need replacements before a wr this season will be 5th on the depth chart.

Tutu Atwell's 'position' on the Rams' WR depth chart isn't why the McVay/Snead regime drafted him at #57 overall yesterday--rather, it's his ability to supply a lightning-fast deep threat to 'open up' our team's passing attack.

Of course, that's what DeSean Jackson was signed to do as well, however I can understand not counting on Jackson to stay healthy all year, plus he likely won't be around past the 2021 season anyway.

While I wouldn't have drafted Atwell in the second round myself, I do have an understanding of why the Good Guys did so--now it's up to Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford to make that strategy work out... 8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Truth]

The Rams are a good team and tend to draft well.

No, the Rams draft poorly. Snead's drafted 3 pro bowlers in 9 years. They have 1 super level Hall of Famer in Aaron Donald that is the sole difference between 6-10 and 10-6 seasons. That one guy, is keeping the ship afloat.

When he retires, the ship is going to sink because Snead has not reinforced the ship. He's in fact loaded the ship with more deadweight.

[malibu]

I hardly see how we don't need replacements before a wr this season will be 5th on the depth chart.

Tutu Atwell's 'position' on the Rams' WR depth chart isn't why the McVay/Snead regime drafted him at #57 overall yesterday--rather, it's his ability to supply a lightning-fast deep threat to 'open up' our team's passing attack.

Of course, that's what DeSean Jackson was signed to do as well, however I can understand not counting on Jackson to stay healthy all year, plus he likely won't be around past the 2021 season anyway.

While I wouldn't have drafted Atwell in the second round myself, I do have an understanding of why the Good Guys did so--now it's up to Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford to make that strategy work out... 8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

I think every Ram hardcore fan knows why they drafted Tutu protection for Jackson and development when he is gone, but still massively bigger needs were there starring us right in the face. We have no ILBs signed next off-season outside of the guy we just drafted. We have Lewis who we can't count on and the OLBs don't seem very promising. No Center Blythe started all last year so who is going to replace him Allen or the kid from the PS who has hardly had one snap at Center. Mind you Blythe was the weakest link on the line and you want to replace him that is weaker ready that sounds like Stafford could get killed.

[malibu]

No, the Rams draft poorly. Snead's drafted 3 pro bowlers in 9 years. They have 1 super level Hall of Famer in Aaron Donald that is the sole difference between 6-10 and 10-6 seasons. That one guy, is keeping the ship afloat.

When he retires, the ship is going to sink because Snead has not reinforced the ship. He's in fact loaded the ship with more deadweight.

No, they draft well.
On offense last year.. they had only 4 starters that they didn't draft. One of those they got for trading a 5th.. another they got UDFA.
Two FA starters on offense.
On defense they had 4 starters they didn't draft. One of those they traded 2 first for.. another is a UDFA they developed.. another they got back in Marcus Peters trade.. another they got in FA.

The team won 11 games last year and a playoff game on the road.

Last year's wa deeper and we will miss JJ3, possibly Hill, and Brockers just like we did with Saffold when he went to Tennessee. We never replaced him and the OL has never been the same.

The only upgrade is Stafford.

[EastBayRamsFan]

IdahoRam brings the truth-deal with it.

[RadRacerRams]

Just like LAST YEAR:
Need for Center is HUGE
Need for LB is HUGE
....aaaaaaand we take a 150lb WR. What a friggin JOKE!

So when exactly are they going to start paying ?? It’s been 4 years of successful winning seasons and successful draft selections especially in the later rounds.

hey stop it , your making him look like a Knucklehead with your logic 8-) .......you can't help people who have never stepped foot on a football field.....they don't know how to play , and there not smart enough to realize that Speed kills......especially when it's a deep threat burner who runs a 4.27-40.... but your absolutely Right we've had winning seasons since McVay got Here...... .oh well we will have to probably wait 10 years before skipping needs in the Draft comes back to bite us in the hinny.......

Go RAMS : Hey does anyone know what Free Agency is psych

[RAMFAN71]

There's no right and wrong. Time will tell. These are all opinions. I like the discussions. Remember every team feels all this. We all want 11 difference makers on both sides of the ball. It's just hard to do because the NFL is actually pretty good at keeping parity with the cap and draft rules.

[brasilrams]

But if they let him walk and don't spend the money on him , could that money be used to sign like 3 guys , for example : JJ , hill and fox ? If S ...I don't know what I would choose . Having a good edge rusher is important in our division for sure but keeping our secondary intact ( number 1 rated pass defense ) was also extremely important.

The way that Floyd contract is structured you could have got JJ and Fox. Even that would have took JJ making his deal into a 2 year deal with some funky structuring. Floyd contract is really just a two year deal. Not sure how many players you hoped the rams could retain with a two year deal. The rams spent more draft revenue on the secondary, also have had a better knack at developing guys in the secondary then they have a OLB.
So they went with Floyd and trust their ability to develop secondary guys. They did successfully develop, Fuller. JJ, Hill and D Will. I have not seen them have much success developing OLB.

True that. Makes sense . Probably easier for the rams to develop safeties than edges . Good edges are not easy to find , so yeah , signing floyd over JJ - when you put it that way - , makes sense , for sure .

[brasilrams]

But if they let him walk and don't spend the money on him , could that money be used to sign like 3 guys , for example : JJ , hill and fox ? If S ...I don't know what I would choose . Having a good edge rusher is important in our division for sure but keeping our secondary intact ( number 1 rated pass defense ) was also extremely important.

I think because he's a guy who plays the run and pass so well... Floyd was critical. Remember.. Fox wasn't even guaranteed to be on the roster before last season and David Long will be entering his 3rd. Hill was inconsistent for years and then it clicked. No reason Long can't take a jump this year.

Totally true about hill . He was inconsistent for years but last year he was amazing . I do think it has something to do with playing next to ramsey , so I think long should be ok . My main concern , really , was not hill , or brockers or fox . My main concern is losing JJ - our secondary - signal caller . Guy was a BEAST and really smart on the field . I don't see Rapp , Fuller or Burgress anywhere NEAR his level . Out of the 3 , I think Fuller has the best chance of TRYING to be as good as JJ . Rapp can't cover and can't stay healthy .

[Skyhook]

So when exactly are they going to start paying ?? It’s been 4 years of successful winning seasons and successful draft selections especially in the later rounds.

2023 when Whitworth/AD/Stafford/Kupp/Woods are all at the end of their careers and we stink, need contributors, and don’t have 1st rounders to get them.

So you think Stafford retires at 35?....even though he says he want to lead this team for 5, 6, 7 years. Stafford's best years are right in front of him.... plus he's got such a special right arm, he could probably zip darts all over the field until he's 50.

Funny you have such little faith in such a well run organization. You really believe the Rams would ever do this deal knowing it's for only 2 years? Come on man you gotta be more sensible than that....I mean damn dude, you're posting in a public forum that'll be on record forever

And as for Kupp? You are obviously predicting a very short career. Why is that?

Your posts are pure hyperbole with very little substance and lots of attention seeking bullshit.

[Virginia_Rams_Fan]

I am very concerned about the offensive line. Maybe the Rams front office know something that I don't which I am sure they do...but we did not even go after an OL position. What am I missing?

[Truth]

2023 when Whitworth/AD/Stafford/Kupp/Woods are all at the end of their careers and we stink, need contributors, and don’t have 1st rounders to get them.

So you think Stafford retires at 35?....even though he says he want to lead this team for 5, 6, 7 years. Stafford's best years are right in front of him.... plus he's got such a special right arm, he could probably zip darts all over the field until he's 50.

Funny you have such little faith in such a well run organization. You really believe the Rams would ever do this deal knowing it's for only 2 years? Come on man you gotta be more sensible than that....I mean damn dude, you're posting in a public forum that'll be on record forever

And as for Kupp? You are obviously predicting a very short career. Why is that?

Your posts are pure hyperbole with very little substance and lots of attention seeking bullshit.

There were lot of fanboys like yourself back in the 2003-2005 that thought were just going to keep rolling even though our drafts were trash and our main superstars were all at the end of their careers. The same thing is happening right now. All you have to do is look at the roster. We had 2 Pro Bowlers on this team last year. 2! That’s it.

Kupp will be 30 before the 2023 season starts and he’s had a history of injuries. So I’m not expecting more than 2 more productive years from him. Aaron Donald will be 30 before this season starts.

Stafford is at best an average QB today, as a 34 year old. You think he’ll be be better at 35+? His best years aren’t in front of him. He’s been in the league a million years already and never done anything other than out up counting stats on bad teams. He is what he is

This team will be horrible really as soon as 2022 (depending on AD’s drop off) and definitely in 2023.

All you gotta do is look at the roster, look at the age of our main difference makers, look at our recent drafts, look at our upcoming lack of 1st rd draft picks.

It all adds up. “But but but McSneed have winning records every year”. Yeah, so did Martz till he didn’t and anyone with an unbiased brain saw it coming.

[Cornell29]

So you think Stafford retires at 35?....even though he says he want to lead this team for 5, 6, 7 years. Stafford's best years are right in front of him.... plus he's got such a special right arm, he could probably zip darts all over the field until he's 50.

Funny you have such little faith in such a well run organization. You really believe the Rams would ever do this deal knowing it's for only 2 years? Come on man you gotta be more sensible than that....I mean damn dude, you're posting in a public forum that'll be on record forever

And as for Kupp? You are obviously predicting a very short career. Why is that?

Your posts are pure hyperbole with very little substance and lots of attention seeking bullshit.

There were lot of fanboys like yourself back in the 2003-2005 that thought were just going to keep rolling even though our drafts were trash and our main superstars were all at the end of their careers. The same thing is happening right now. All you have to do is look at the roster. We had 2 Pro Bowlers on this team last year. 2! That’s it.

Kupp will be 30 before the 2023 season starts and he’s had a history of injuries. So I’m not expecting more than 2 more productive years from him. Aaron Donald will be 30 before this season starts.

Stafford is at best an average QB today, as a 34 year old. You think he’ll be be better at 35+? His best years aren’t in front of him. He’s been in the league a million years already and never done anything other than out up counting stats on bad teams. He is what he is

This team will be horrible really as soon as 2022 (depending on AD’s drop off) and definitely in 2023.

All you gotta do is look at the roster, look at the age of our main difference makers, look at our recent drafts, look at our upcoming lack of 1st rd draft picks.

It all adds up. “But but but McSneed have winning records every year”. Yeah, so did Martz till he didn’t and anyone with an unbiased brain saw it coming.

A few things. Martz took over a SB winning team and had 3 winning seasons in 4 years.

Mcvay took over a team that didn't have a winning season in 13 years or so.

Martz team was loaded with 1st round picks, one year they had 3. Despite all the top picks Martz drafts were so bad that the team couldn't stock players.
As we know it takes around 3 or 4 years to evaluate a draft
The rams 2017 draft was very good especially when they didnt have a 1st round pick. Their first 6 picks are going into year 5 on a nfl team.

Looking back at Martz first draft, which was 2000. Despite having a first rounder, only 2 players played more then 4 years in the nfl. Brian Young, John St Clair and Matt Bowen.

Kupp and Johnson alone is better then anyone Martz drafted in 2000 (was his first draft).

I bring this up to say, McSnead can draft Martz could not.

[Raminec]

I am very concerned about the offensive line. Maybe the Rams front office know something that I don't which I am sure they do...but we did not even go after an OL position. What am I missing?

Maybe faith in Rams management