Colin on Goff - Stafford

[Cornell29]

Bottom post of the previous page:

[DelMar]

Baker at the top is correct BUT FOR RIGHT NOW...

let's see what happens come January.

My guess the list will look more like this then...

1. Mahomes
2. Stafford
3. Allen
4. Bulldawgs Mom
5. Goff
6. Herbert
7. Mayfield
8. Darnold

[Cornell29]

Mahomes is 15th in passer rating and has a losing record.

Gotta love the media

Despite not having any real weapons, he leads the league in total tds and yards for a qb.

[DelMar]

Baker at the top is correct BUT FOR RIGHT NOW...

let's see what happens come January.

My guess the list will look more like this then...

1. Mahomes
2. Stafford
3. Allen
4. Bulldawgs Mom
5. Goff
6. Herbert
7. Mayfield
8. Darnold

Baker lead the league with 41 TDs last year. I think we need to get used to Baker being one of the better QBs in the league.

But Baker is not as consistent... maybe he will prove us wrong this season.

none the less, great debate.

[Cornell29]

Despite not having any real weapons, he leads the league in total tds and yards for a qb.

No real weapons?

Kelce....greatest recieving TE of all time.
Hollywood.....1st round pick/ 1,000 yard reciever
Worthy.....1st round pick
Thorton....2nd round pick
And now Rice is coming back.

Idk....definitely could be worse.

All above average to mid including Kelce at this point of their career. Rice hasn't even played this year so Mahomes leads the league in total tds and yards without his help.
Only other qb in the MVP talk that has arguably equal or worse talent around him is Allen

[ocram23]

Despite not having any real weapons, he leads the league in total tds and yards for a qb.

No real weapons?

Kelce....greatest recieving TE of all time.
Hollywood.....1st round pick/ 1,000 yard reciever
Worthy.....1st round pick
Thorton....2nd round pick
And now Rice is coming back.

Idk....definitely could be worse.

Hollywood could be the most overrated player of all time...due is rarely available and when he is doesn't bring much to the party.
I do like Thornton.
Worthy is good but hurt a lot.
Kelce...agree

But I would also agree that they don't have a ton of weapons. At least not proven ones.

[Idaho_Ram]

Back to the OP - I looked up both of their career playoff stats. Colin conveniently leaves that part out of his analysis.

Both have played 10 playoff games

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

I am not anti-Goff at all, but Sean saw what he saw, a guy who makes CRUCIAL mistakes in huge spots. Whereas Stafford is the best when the lights are the brightest.

[Cornell29]

Though I like Goff and I hope the Lions lose every game with the exception of the 9ers.

Goff hasn't played nearly as many seasons as Stafford and if by some miracle he gets the Lions a Super Bowl Stafford will be an afterthought in Detroit, and some LA fans will wonder if we should have kept him.

Stafford is still playing well but he's on his decline. I'll be impressed if he's a Ram next season.

Stafford on his decline????

Stafford is on pace of having one of his best seasons as a ram. 4th best comp pct in his career, best int to td ratio in his career. I know he has had some off target throws, but Stafford is a gun slinger and always been known to have some errand throws throughout his entire career, just ask Lions fans.

[DelMar]

Though I like Goff and I hope the Lions lose every game with the exception of the 9ers.

Goff hasn't played nearly as many seasons as Stafford and if by some miracle he gets the Lions a Super Bowl Stafford will be an afterthought in Detroit, and some LA fans will wonder if we should have kept him.

Stafford is still playing well but he's on his decline. I'll be impressed if he's a Ram next season.

Stafford on his decline????

Stafford is on pace of having one of his best seasons as a ram. 4th best comp pct in his career, best int to td ratio in his career. I know he has had some off target throws, but Stafford is a gun slinger and always been known to have some errand throws throughout his entire career, just ask Lions fans.

Consider who you are replying to C29....

Stop w all the stats that totally contradict this argument that Staff is in decline. Some people just dont care about stats, ratio, etc etc..

This whole argument that Stafford is washed up, in decline, old and has been... completely blows my mind. Shoot, if we didnt have Matt, we'd prob be 2-4, (or worse) not 4-2.

I can also admit that Matt has been a bit shaky at times this season in some qtrs, but lets look at the ENITRE games as a whole and not by the quarters...

Between Flacco, Rodgers and Stafford... it's more like the year of the senior QB's... these old guys out there just balling. I was impressed w Rodgers last minute bomb last ngt... even though it was knocked down, did you see how far he threw it? 70 YARDS at least... You dont see that strength much at all these days...



And best season as a Ram? More like one of Matts best since being in the NFL...

[DVA_ram33]

Though I like Goff and I hope the Lions lose every game with the exception of the 9ers.

Goff hasn't played nearly as many seasons as Stafford and if by some miracle he gets the Lions a Super Bowl Stafford will be an afterthought in Detroit, and some LA fans will wonder if we should have kept him.

Stafford is still playing well but he's on his decline. I'll be impressed if he's a Ram next season.

Stafford on his decline????

Stafford is on pace of having one of his best seasons as a ram. 4th best comp pct in his career, best int to td ratio in his career. I know he has had some off target throws, but Stafford is a gun slinger and always been known to have some errand throws throughout his entire career, just ask Lions fans.

Agree.. if he was 10 years younger he would be in the top 3 and get some love around the league and this board.

[Cornell29]

Yes. Like I said before, Stafford is in the MVP conversation

[Cornell29]

Looks good to me

[Cornell29]

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[brasilrams]

Back to the OP - I looked up both of their career playoff stats. Colin conveniently leaves that part out of his analysis.

Both have played 10 playoff games

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

I am not anti-Goff at all, but Sean saw what he saw, a guy who makes CRUCIAL mistakes in huge spots. Whereas Stafford is the best when the lights are the brightest.

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

This right here should END any debate between goff and Stafford

[DelMar]

Back to the OP - I looked up both of their career playoff stats. Colin conveniently leaves that part out of his analysis.

Both have played 10 playoff games

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

I am not anti-Goff at all, but Sean saw what he saw, a guy who makes CRUCIAL mistakes in huge spots. Whereas Stafford is the best when the lights are the brightest.

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

This right here should END any debate between goff and Stafford

^Then theres this …

[Cornell29]

[DelMar]

^ Annnnnnnnd there's also this

[Cornell29]

Sorry but anyone that thinks Goff is the 27th ranked QB in the league this year is on something stronger than meth lol.

Its PFF which is and has been used multiple times on the board.

Maybe it's wrong, does seem low. Can't see in Screenshot. Does someone currently have PFF? Can you verify.

[Cornell29]

I just accessed PFF and this is what I see.

[Cornell29]

Its PFF which is and has been used multiple times on the board

And PFF is high as fuck. I've always liked there line ratings. I find the skill position ratings to be off and the LB ratings to be odd as well.

Regardless they actually have Goff at 31 ranked QB. Anyone they believes that is retarded. Let's just be honest here.

Passer rating (which is production not opinion)

Goff - 116.4
Stafford - 109.3

PPG
Lions - 30.7 (3rd in NFL)
Rams - 25 (11th in NFL)


I'm all for a honest debate. Nobody has been more fair on the topic than me. But I'm not engaging in nonsense. Regardless, of the source.

PFF looks deeper than just stats and ppg. It knows that some players benefit more than others with the talent around them

PFF uses a play-by-play grading system and advanced stats to evaluate a quarterback, focusing on their decision-making and execution on a per-play basis rather than just the outcome. This includes metrics like adjusted completion percentage, which removes factors outside the QB's control, and statistics such as big-time throws and turnover-worthy plays to provide a more context-specific view of performance than standard box score stats.

[Cornell29]

[Cornell29]

[Cornell29]

Stats wise yes!

He was better in 2021 and the offense ranked better than because of it. The Rams this year are winning a lot of games with the defense. Stafford was truly elite in 2021. This year he's played well but has left a lot of points on the board. The stats look better than the play in my opinion. If he can get more consistent this team will win a Superbowl!

Stafford started 2021 elite but that November was rough. Stafford was 2nd in the league in ints that year despite having a better OL.

Stafford is protecting the ball alot more while still making lots of splash plays.

[brasilrams]

Its PFF which is and has been used multiple times on the board

And PFF is high as fuck. I've always liked there line ratings. I find the skill position ratings to be off and the LB ratings to be odd as well. I can now add QB.

Regardless, they actually have Goff at 31st ranked QB. Anyone that believes that is retarded. Let's just be honest here.

Passer rating (which is production not opinion)

Goff - 116.4
Stafford - 109.3

PPG
Lions - 30.7 (3rd in NFL)
Rams - 25 (11th in NFL)


I'm all for a honest debate. Nobody has been more fair on the topic than me. But I'm not engaging in nonsense. Regardless, of the source.

IMO , PPG means nothing when comparing QBs. How many more points the rams would have if we didn't have 300 kicks blocked ? if KW didn't fumble at the 1 yard line ? Comparing PPG when comparing Qbs is the opposite of fair . Look what gibbs did yesterday for example .

Anyway , Stafford has been better than Goff this year overall and he has been better in the playoffs ( much better ) . Goff better start playing well in the playoffs with the lions or he will become the new Lamar ( only good for the regular season which doesn't do you any good ) . The goal is to WIN it all.

[Cornell29]

[Cornell29]

[brasilrams]

IMO , PPG means nothing when comparing QBs. How many more points the rams would have if we didn't have 300 kicks blocked ? if KW didn't fumble at the 1 yard line ? Comparing PPG when comparing Qbs is the opposite of fair . Look what gibbs did yesterday for example .

Anyway , Stafford has been better than Goff this year overall and he has been better in the playoffs ( much better ) . Goff better start playing well in the playoffs with the lions or he will become the new Lamar ( only good for the regular season which doesn't do you any good ) . The goal is to WIN it all.

PPG do matter. What, you think the Rams are the only team to miss kicks? Lol. You dont think Stafford benefits from the Rams D? He had 5 TDs passes all while only having to throw 180 yards because our D constantly gives them good field position. I respect your opinion but guys like you and Cornell have always been extremely biased regarding this topic.

Stafford was winless his first 3 times in the playoffs (0-3) then he got traded to a better team. I agree Goff needs to avoid games like the Washington game. But he also went to the Superbowl his 3rd season. So yes Stafford has been better in the playoffs. Especially now that he is in his prime and a better coach/team. I'll give Goff the same time I gave/given Stafford.

Stafford has not been better this year overall in my opinion. But again, I respect your opinion.

It’s all good — agree to disagree.
Stafford has a better defense, and Goff has a better supporting cast. He’s got Gibbs and LaPorta, while we’ve got KW (slow and a fumbling machine) and Higbee (LOL). That matters too.

I still think that, so far this season, Stafford has been better. And yes, all teams miss kicks, but not every game — and I don’t see other teams’ running backs fumbling at the one-yard line instead of scoring.

The Rams are leaving 10–20 points on the board per game, ( critical penalties , turnover by KW , missed FG and XP etc ) and most of that isn’t on Stafford — it’s because other guys are screwing up. HE did miss a couple throws that could have been Tds , sure , but the low 25 PPG average is not on him . He is having a phenomenal season .

The Rams, up until the last game, have been really sloppy, while the Lions have not. Against the Jaguars , the rams finally played a clean game and we scored 35 .

I’ll also disagree that Stafford has the better team — maybe ( probably ) a better defense, sure, but the overall supporting cast on offense is definitely better in Detroit. Not to mention the STs ( that has been costing us POINTS AND GAMES ), we rank LAST in the entire league in STs. Stafford does have a better coach though.

Goff is young and have a lot of time to try to catch up but he is slowly becoming the new Lamar Jackson imo . Great in the regular season and in the playoffs......

[brasilrams]

It’s all good — agree to disagree.
Stafford has a better defense, and Goff has a better supporting cast. He’s got Gibbs and LaPorta, while we’ve got KW (slow and a fumbling machine) and Higbee (LOL). That matters too.

I still think that, so far this season, Stafford has been better. And yes, all teams miss kicks, but not every game — and I don’t see other teams’ running backs fumbling at the one-yard line instead of scoring.

The Rams are leaving 10–20 points on the board per game, ( critical penalties , turnover by KW , missed FG and XP etc ) and most of that isn’t on Stafford — it’s because other guys are screwing up. HE did miss a couple throws that could have been Tds , sure , but the low 25 PPG average is not on him . He is having a phenomenal season .

The Rams, up until the last game, have been really sloppy, while the Lions have not. Against the Jaguars , the rams finally played a clean game and we scored 35 .

I’ll also disagree that Stafford has the better team — maybe ( probably ) a better defense, sure, but the overall supporting cast on offense is definitely better in Detroit. Not to mention the STs ( that has been costing us POINTS AND GAMES ), we rank LAST in the entire league in STs. Stafford does have a better coach though.

Goff is young and have a lot of time to try to catch up but he is slowly becoming the new Lamar Jackson imo . Great in the regular season and in the playoffs......

Both Bates and Karty each have 3 missed field goals. I'm not going to argue tit for tat on field goals. Again, missing kicks is something all teams go through.

As for the talent. We've gone over this already.

And with the Rams adding Adams the Rams are considerably better at WR and the Lions at RB. The Lions issue on offense is not having depth at reciever. They are St.Brown dependant. Jamo just isn't living up to the draft hype, nice deep threat but he's barely on pace for 700 yards. Dont get me wrong, he's solid. But drops too many passes and not a good route runner. Its mute anyways. The fact you have to make excuses for Stafford why he isn't as good or the numbers aren't as good or whatever the case is. Just proves the point I've always made. If Stafford needs everything Goff has, then he's not the better QB. Albiet I've always claimed Stafford was better up until last season. I just can't honestly say he is anymore.

As far as teams....

You can have the Lions.

I'm taking the Rams all day. The combination of McVay, Stafford, recievers, defense and a much improved oline is a better threat to win the Superbowl than the Lions in my opinion. Though, for once they might have a competent defense. That will be interesting to see if they can keep that up.

Well, I’m not making excuses—I call it as I see it. Stafford is the least responsible for the Rams’ low 25 PPG. The least.

Anyway, when comparing both teams, I see the Lions with better RBs and TEs, and the Rams with better WRs. The O-line is debatable (we’ve been over this, and in my opinion, they’re about the same). So overall, the Lions have a better supporting cast on offense—they only really lose at the WR position.

Rams have a better defense, and the Lions have better STs.

Rams have the better coach.

So I guess it kinda evens out ( rams better defense and better coach , lions better supporting cast on offense and better Sts ). With the way Stafford has been playing, I do think he’s been better than Goff. You think otherwise, and it’s all good—like I said, agree to disagree. Or Maybe you do agree with me ( going by your last reply ) .