Rams OL remains a issue

[Cornell29]

The Rams OL is holding back the offense. Stafford has worked magic behind it so far with the help of the wrs quickly creating separation or making a great catch in tight coverage. How long can this continue? Rams OL needs to improve ASAP.

[ocram23]

welcome to the NFL. I would say about 90% of the teams have issues with their OL. just not enough good OL out there IMO

[RamPower]

Rams O-line was this year’s biggest X-factor imo, and remains to be. Haven’t been impressed with them…which makes Stafford even more impressive obviously.

He’s a lot like Brady (as a "non-scrambling QB") in that he can still operate behind a mediocre O-line (to a point of course). Takes complete mastery of an offense and game prep to pull anything like that off. Can you imagine (finally) having a top O-line? Maybe someday…

Sure lots of teams struggle with that, but some way less than others. Again I'd love to finally be that All-Pro type O-line, but will settle for decent. I think Stafford hides some O-line deficiencies for sure.

[NorCal RF]

It is hard to debate 4 sacks in two games. That being said, the first 2 games I was a bit more disappointed in the run blocking. Avila not being in there hurts…………..

[Bulldawg]

Dang #31. We will have played 2 great defenses after Philly. I expect our numbers to be a little skewed but not #31

[DVA_ram33]

That's worse than i thought.. was a real issue this offseason that was just plainly ignored.

I realise you cannot have it all in the salary cap era but man this is pretty bad.

[DelMar]

Good grief, how is Matt still alive?

Those are some awful stats. Shoot, after seeing that, I am shocked we are 2-0. Shows us just how VALUABLE Stafford is to our team. I do know for a FACT that we better fix this come Sunday OR the Eagles will destroy us.

I think for many of us in here, this was our offseason downer. I felt like we did not handle the off season to the best we could have when it came to our OL. We already knew our OL was shaky...

The past couple of drafts, not good for OL... for whatever reason have steered away form picking some solid OL guys.

2021 draft: (the Tutu draft, errr) NO OL Picked
2022 draft Bruss in round 2, and Hardy and Arcuri in round 7.
2023 draft: Avila round 2 and McClendon in round 5
2024 draft: we waited til the the 6th and 7th round to draft a C and G.
2025 draft: No OL picked in draft

*Just discussing G,T and C's here...NOT TE's.

Rams notes: Stafford does not throw to Tutu and McSnead do not respect the OL much. Got it

[RonMac]

The PFF numbers DO seem to say that but our eyes know something different. The need was there and well known but the Rams FO refused to address it - the only move was to sign Coleman Shelton ???? The overall weakness of this unit will be front and center vs Philly and MS will not be able to deal down field due to lack of legit Pass Pro- sure hope I am wrong but the likes of Shelton/ Dedich was Jalen Carter is a legit mismatch and MS health could be at risk never mind the game outcome.

[RonMac]

We can disagree on this point - no one is asking for Pro Bowl players throughout - but I will admit to being wrong on the quality of this unit if they hold up this Sunday in Philly.

[Cornell29]

Stafford has only been sacked 4 times but that's bc of the new scheme, Stafford getting it out fast and the wrs getting quick separation. Double te sets are helping out the ol as well.

[Cornell29]

The PFF numbers DO seem to say that but our eyes know something different. The need was there and well known but the Rams FO refused to address it - the only move was to sign Coleman Shelton ???? The overall weakness of this unit will be front and center vs Philly and MS will not be able to deal down field due to lack of legit Pass Pro- sure hope I am wrong but the likes of Shelton/ Dedich was Jalen Carter is a legit mismatch and MS health could be at risk never mind the game outcome.

Since everyone dont see PFF as highly reliable alone.
This chart uses the average of 3 different graders. PFF, ESPN and SIS (Sports Info Solutions). The average of the 3 has the rams ranked nearly last.

[Cornell29]

Stafford has only been sacked 4 times but that's bc of the new scheme, Stafford getting it out fast and the wrs getting quick separation. Double te sets are helping out the ol as well.

Time throw is a QB stat not a oline stat. For example mobile QBs have higher time to throw numbers.

I agree with that

[Cornell29]

Since everyone dont see PFF as highly reliable alone.
This chart uses the average of 3 different graders. PFF, ESPN and SIS (Sports Info Solutions). The average of the 3 has the rams ranked nearly last.

Again the numbers dont align with the data I've seen.

At the end of the day the Rams have invested in the oline substantially. Who are you replacing and how are you getting better? That's the real question...

I'm not saying that it isn't fixable (coaching, cohesiveness, health), just that it has to improve as the season progresses.

[Cornell29]

Avila returning and Dotson getting healthier, would be a huge help

[Cornell29]

PFF has the Rams at #7 in the league. I agree they are not the end all. But when you have 5 quality starters. I'll take that any day of the week!

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive- ... eek-3-2025

#7 is overall grade of OL. PFF feels the Rams run blocking been good, it's the rbs (KW mostly) not taking full advantage. The grade I post in the original poster was pass blocking only.

For example Rams OL grades week 2 (separates pass vs run)



Rams OL grades week 1 (separates pass vs run)

[malibu]

Hopefully when Avila is healthy we will be better. We dont need to be the best in the league just solid across the board. i do see everyones pov but McVay can keep a YE in or Kyren in or both. What we do have is a lethal tandem that can do damage and adding in the other skill players like X, Tutu etc we will be fine McVay has to not go in as much 11 personnel.

[GoldenRam]

All for pass blocking efficiency but we NEED some maulers that can consistently open a damn hole for a back to run through. Limmer in week one had a **28.5** run blocking grade as an example. Did fine in the passing game. If we can't run, Stafford is eventually going to get smashed

[Cornell29]

All for pass blocking efficiency but we NEED some maulers that can consistently open a damn hole for a back to run through. Limmer in week one had a **28.5** run blocking grade as an example. Did fine in the passing game. If we can't run, Stafford is eventually going to get smashed

You have it backwards. Limmer had an 28.5 pass blocking grade and a 78.8 run blocking grade. According to PFF the OL is making holes, KW is struggling to burst through them.

[RAMFAN71]

These stats scream RUN the Ball! Welcome to the dink and dunk era. 2.45 seconds won't get you any shots downfield. Prob why Atwell won't be utilized- despite him getting open. I just hope these OL guys get better as we go. We need new LT/RT next year.

[RamPower]

These stats scream RUN the Ball! Welcome to the dink and dunk era. 2.45 seconds won't get you any shots downfield. Prob why Atwell won't be utilized- despite him getting open. I just hope these OL guys get better as we go. We need new LT/RT next year.

Yeah run lanes certainly haven't looked impressive. And you can't have Stafford being hit so much. Have to tame a pass rush with a little effective play action.

Again Stafford makes the pass pro look better with his mastery of the field and release. He will always get the ball out before taking a sack whenever possible, even to a fault probably. I'd like to see the playbook on full display. It starts upfront.

[Claremontram]

Hence the need to go 12 personnel on a regular basis. WRs and TEs if you don't block effectively, you don't play.

We need to draft quality (1st-3rd round) Olinemen. It would be nice to have a real mauler Center to anchor this line. Starting LTs are damn hard to find.

Nevertheless, let's kick the crap out of the Eaglets.

[GoldenRam]

All for pass blocking efficiency but we NEED some maulers that can consistently open a damn hole for a back to run through. Limmer in week one had a **28.5** run blocking grade as an example. Did fine in the passing game. If we can't run, Stafford is eventually going to get smashed

You have it backwards. Limmer had an 28.5 pass blocking grade and a 78.8 run blocking grade. According to PFF the OL is making holes, KW is struggling to burst through them.

Ooops!

[malibu]

These stats scream RUN the Ball! Welcome to the dink and dunk era. 2.45 seconds won't get you any shots downfield. Prob why Atwell won't be utilized- despite him getting open. I just hope these OL guys get better as we go. We need new LT/RT next year.

i get the 2.45 pov but here is where i disagree i have said on the long developing plays deep overs or bombs we need to go max protection a RB and TE so Stafford has the extra time and we dont need to worry about him getting sacked before he gets the ball out.

Sure i would love a line like we had in 2018 but we do have a good line just not elite and with a pocket passing 37 year old QB the #1 priority on pass plays is protect first even at the expense of less 11 personel. We can go 5 wide all day long if the ball is coming out within that 2 - 2:45 margin not ideal but the pass blocking should hold up. Like i said hopefully when Avila comes back the OL is elevated some.

[Jacksnow]

These stats scream RUN the Ball! Welcome to the dink and dunk era. 2.45 seconds won't get you any shots downfield. Prob why Atwell won't be utilized- despite him getting open. I just hope these OL guys get better as we go. We need new LT/RT next year.

i get the 2.45 pov but here is where i disagree i have said on the long developing plays deep overs or bombs we need to go max protection a RB and TE so Stafford has the extra time and we dont need to worry about him getting sacked before he gets the ball out.

Sure i would love a line like we had in 2018 but we do have a good line just not elite and with a pocket passing 37 year old QB the #1 priority on pass plays is protect first even at the expense of less 11 personel. We can go 5 wide all day long if the ball is coming out within that 2 - 2:45 margin not ideal but the pass blocking should hold up. Like i said hopefully when Avila comes back the OL is elevated some.

Malibu I think you made the point why Tutu isn't as productive as we like. If the ball is being released within 2 to 2:45 that does not give a lot if time for the deep pass.

[49RH8R]

The PFF numbers DO seem to say that but our eyes know something different. The need was there and well known but the Rams FO refused to address it - the only move was to sign Coleman Shelton ???? The overall weakness of this unit will be front and center vs Philly and MS will not be able to deal down field due to lack of legit Pass Pro- sure hope I am wrong but the likes of Shelton/ Dedich was Jalen Carter is a legit mismatch and MS health could be at risk never mind the game outcome.

What I see is a above average pass unit and a below average run unit. Stafford has only been sacked 4 times and that was playing a phenomenal front in Houston. We've all seen Stafford play behind a bad oline, it gets ugly. Realistically we have two really good guards, Havs continues to be a staple at RT, Jackson is really solid in pass and okay in the run game and then we have Shelton who according to PFF has been one of our best players this year.

So I guess my question is. What's a realistic expectation for the oline? We drafted Avila, we signed Dotson, we paid Jackson, Havs is still doing his thing. These are good players.

Every year its the same fans want pro-bowlers at every position and its never going to happen.

Agree. And I'm questioning these stats as kind of BS. I watch every game and we are not the worst OL in the league. We had 427 total yards against Tennessee.

Also, "we didn't do anything in the offseason for the OL" is inaccurate. We re-signed AJ Jackson and brought in Coleman Shelton. This to go along with an already promising young interior in Dotson, Avila, Limmer. I did want a young OT in the pipeline but maybe they felt good about McClendon.

[RAMFAN71]

i get the 2.45 pov but here is where i disagree i have said on the long developing plays deep overs or bombs we need to go max protection a RB and TE so Stafford has the extra time and we dont need to worry about him getting sacked before he gets the ball out.

Sure i would love a line like we had in 2018 but we do have a good line just not elite and with a pocket passing 37 year old QB the #1 priority on pass plays is protect first even at the expense of less 11 personel. We can go 5 wide all day long if the ball is coming out within that 2 - 2:45 margin not ideal but the pass blocking should hold up. Like i said hopefully when Avila comes back the OL is elevated some.

Malibu I think you made the point why Tutu isn't as productive as we like. If the ball is being released within 2 to 2:45 that does not give a lot if time for the deep pass.

If we go 12 man setup, that takes a wr out, and harder to go deep IMO.