Wentz is so much like Goff

[Rammer]

When everything around him is working well, Wentz actually looks good. He looks awful one week, good the next. He shows you flashes of talent but is prone to terrible mistakes. He will probably never be the guy you can trust in the key moment. Who does that remind you of? Remembering the Goff/Wentz debate about which one to draft - they are two very different qbs but they both still have the same flaws.

[Cornell29]

Me too.

[Cornell29]

Gimme Wentz over Goff, ANYDAY.

Me too

[NJRamfan1]

Gimme Wentz over Goff, ANYDAY.

Me three.

[Rammer]

Gimme Wentz over Goff, ANYDAY.

Me three.

Probably I would too but they go back and forth. Last year, Wentz was horrendous and none of you would have said this.

[Yorkshire Ram]

Probably I would too but they go back and forth. Last year, Wentz was horrendous and none of you would have said this.

Wentz is still not that good. He's eclipsed 4,000 yards once in his career and barely did that when he did. Never won a playoff game, has had elite olines every year of his career, hell Foles out played Wentz on his Eagles teams. And still he plays on Colts team with a losing record despite thier stacked roster. Goff has done more with less. Hell, put Goff on the Colts and they'd probably have a winning record. Put Wentz on the Lions and they still 0-7.

But hey it's not a mystery the GDS crowd loves Wentz. Every day it's the same ol around here.

Nah, I disagree. Wentz has shown flashes of his old self this year, Goff has appeared in terminal decline for 2 and a half years now. You have to assume there's not much left for Goff at this point based on what we're seeing.

The post season thing is misleading, as for all Goff's wins, I think he's thrown 4 TDs with a comp percentage under 60? The Rams won in the post season MOSTLY due to other factors not because of Goff I would say?

I'd take Wentz every time at this point.

[fan since 65]

Wentz is better than Goff, he has 17/3 TD/Picks this year. Goff gets hurt less, but then again takes less hits as on 4th downs he likes to throw it away.

If the Jared is flushed from the pocket he high-steps it gazelle like and then slides awkwardly a yard or two short of a first down. Wentz would run through 3 defensive linemen to get that first down. Wentz is not effete...

[fan since 65]

If the Jared is flushed from the pocket he high-steps it gazelle like and then slides awkwardly a yard or two short of a first down. Wentz would run through 3 defensive linemen to get that first down. Wentz is not effete...

"run through 3 defensive lineman"

Now that was good.

your boy-crush on the Jared is once again getting the best of you...he needs you in Detroit where the fans want to run him out of town...4th down throw aways can only be defended by people like you...

[Yorkshire Ram]

Nah, I disagree. Wentz has shown flashes of his old self this year, Goff has appeared in terminal decline for 2 and a half years now. You have to assume there's not much left for Goff at this point based on what we're seeing.

The post season thing is misleading, as for all Goff's wins, I think he's thrown 4 TDs with a comp percentage under 60? The Rams won in the post season MOSTLY due to other factors not because of Goff I would say?

I'd take Wentz every time at this point.

And Wentz was out played by Nick Foles on the same team....so by your logic would that mean Wentzs contributions were really not Wentz but the team he played on?

Yes, quite possibly. But Wentz has shown flashes of his old self in a decent Colts team this year. Goff has been in terminal decline for 2 and a half years on a good team and now a poor one.

On that basis, I would take Wentz at this point.

[fan since 65]

Goff will be good again when he has an all pro back, three terrific WRs, a solid O-line and an innovative offensive minded coach the league hasn't seen who will whisper defensive coverages into his helmet mic.

Just you wait.

Agreed!

Too bad Wentz can't win with that.

Your embarrassing yourself once again...I think some loving intervention is the only hope... ;) It is over for your Jared....

[fan since 65]

Your embarrassing yourself once again...I think some loving intervention is the only hope... ;) It is over for your Jared....

Ahh you can't argue the substance so you attack the poster. I'll take that as a win. ;)

Regardless, if you think I'm supposed to be embarrassed because I'm a Rams fan who doesn't think Goff is the devil. I'd argue who is really obessed over the matter? Logic would say it isn't me.

Well I'm a Ram fan first and foremost. I don't get hung-up on any one player unless they leave it all on the field for the team. I'm enjoying the hell out of this season and I hope you are as well.... 8-)

[fan since 65]

Well I'm a Ram fan first and foremost. I don't get hung-up on any one player unless they leave it all on the field for the team. I'm enjoying the hell out of this season and I hope you are as well.... 8-)

I'd argue that many do get hung up over players. I mean we have people defending Wentz nevermind the fact he isnt a Rams player but he was in the same draft as Goff. So for whatever the odd reason is, they feel the need to prop him up. It's obvious and evident that's what it is for a few posters here.

Anyway...of course I'm enjoying the season. I'm probably one of the more true Rams fans on this site.

All is good...I've been a 'true' Ram fan including in St. Louis for over 5 decades now and I have the scars to prove it. It seems that some on this site can't enjoy this team at this moment and want to live in a bleak future. I'm not saying that is you but you know who I'm talking about... ;)

[Hacksaw]

GO RAMS !!!

[sanbagger]

Goodness, we’re back to Goff and Wentz conversations again?

Goff and Wentz will be linked for their career...just the way it is.

I will say I think the Goff dead horse has been beaten enough....but what do I know?

[Yorkshire Ram]

Yeah, the link will always be there between the two. The fact we're still paying Goff a very large sum makes him relevant to me for just a few more months.

[Hacksaw]

Yeah, the link will always be there between the two. The fact we're still paying Goff a very large sum makes him relevant to me for just a few more months.

We're still paying him?

[FaulkU]

Wentz is a baller, Goff wants to hold a clipboard...

[Yorkshire Ram]

Yeah, the link will always be there between the two. The fact we're still paying Goff a very large sum makes him relevant to me for just a few more months.

We're still paying him?

Paying for him I should've said. My bad.

[harley01]

Wentz is a baller, Goff wants to hold a clipboard...

More like a half baller. The INT last week was laughable. Often injured, holds the ball too long, and makes bone headed plays at the worst time. Plus, not a winner or a guy that can carry a team.

[armyram]

Probably I would too but they go back and forth. Last year, Wentz was horrendous and none of you would have said this.

Wentz is still not that good. He's eclipsed 4,000 yards once in his career and barely did that when he did. Never won a playoff game, has had elite olines every year of his career, hell Foles out played Wentz on his Eagles teams. And still he plays on Colts team with a losing record despite thier stacked roster. Goff has done more with less. Hell, put Goff on the Colts and they'd probably have a winning record. Put Wentz on the Lions and they still 0-7.

But hey it's not a mystery the GDS crowd loves Wentz. Every day it's the same ol around here.

Here you go again…. Let’s rephrase this… Goff has done less with more. No way if Goff is on the Colts they would have a winning record. In no way was Goff responsible for getting us to the SB. Ok, maybe 10 % if that. That was coaching and a running back called Gurley. Gurley was released due to injury, Goff, #1 pick overall…. Was released due to poor play. He got booed off the field last week and yet I still feel they are better than Texans and Jaguars. The dude is done!

[Rammer]

Wentz is still not that good. He's eclipsed 4,000 yards once in his career and barely did that when he did. Never won a playoff game, has had elite olines every year of his career, hell Foles out played Wentz on his Eagles teams. And still he plays on Colts team with a losing record despite thier stacked roster. Goff has done more with less. Hell, put Goff on the Colts and they'd probably have a winning record. Put Wentz on the Lions and they still 0-7.

But hey it's not a mystery the GDS crowd loves Wentz. Every day it's the same ol around here.

Here you go again…. Let’s rephrase this… Goff has done less with more. No way if Goff is on the Colts they would have a winning record. In no way was Goff responsible for getting us to the SB. Ok, maybe 10 % if that. That was coaching and a running back called Gurley. Gurley was released due to injury, Goff, #1 pick overall…. Was released due to poor play. He got booed off the field last week and yet I still feel they are better than Texans and Jaguars. The dude is done!

The Eagles won a super bowl without Wentz. After he got hurt, they were better without him. When he returned they struggled.

[Rammer]

The Eagles won a super bowl without Wentz. After he got hurt, they were better without him. When he returned they struggled.

This is my favorite from the "Goffies," Thinking the Eagles needed Foles to win it all LOL.

The Eagles and Carson Wentz were WELL on the way to winning the Super Bowl WITH him.

And Wentz is responsible for the #1 seed that got them there. Bottom Line Wentz gets credit for "half a ring" while Goff has zero.

I watched every Carson game in philly. He did have that great season but I think NE probably would have shut him down if he stayed healthy. For that one snippet in time, they were a better team with Foles. Carson played too recklessly and this is why he got himself hurt. He didn't know how or when to slide. Then he let the Foles thing get under his skin. So, regarding Goff/Wentz --- they are both problematic starters. Neither one will can be the difference maker. I think Goff has a much better personality/demeanor, throws a better pass when he has time and can manage a game better. Wentz may be more of a play maker but we don't see much of that anymore.

[Hacksaw]

Yeah, both on their 2nd team as they were no longer wanted by their 1st. The rest in conjecture because there are way to many other variables to consider.

And who really gives a darn anyway. They are both gone...

[whatever]

Here you go again…. Let’s rephrase this… Goff has done less with more. No way if Goff is on the Colts they would have a winning record. In no way was Goff responsible for getting us to the SB. Ok, maybe 10 % if that. That was coaching and a running back called Gurley. Gurley was released due to injury, Goff, #1 pick overall…. Was released due to poor play. He got booed off the field last week and yet I still feel they are better than Texans and Jaguars. The dude is done!

Goff played incredibly well for most of 2018. He set passing records on both MNF against the Chiefs and TNF against the Vikings. Sure, he struggled against some opponents later in the season, but there's no reason to trivialise his great performances. If you want to crap on his 2016, 2019, 2020, and 2021 seasons then go ahead...and he may be done as a starter. He's done great with great talent and poorly with poor talent.

[armyram]

Here you go again…. Let’s rephrase this… Goff has done less with more. No way if Goff is on the Colts they would have a winning record. In no way was Goff responsible for getting us to the SB. Ok, maybe 10 % if that. That was coaching and a running back called Gurley. Gurley was released due to injury, Goff, #1 pick overall…. Was released due to poor play. He got booed off the field last week and yet I still feel they are better than Texans and Jaguars. The dude is done!

Goff played incredibly well for most of 2018. He set passing records on both MNF against the Chiefs and TNF against the Vikings. Sure, he struggled against some opponents later in the season, but there's no reason to trivialise his great performances. If you want to crap on his 2016, 2019, 2020, and 2021 seasons then go ahead...and he may be done as a starter. He's done great with great talent and poorly with poor talent.

He's done average with great talent. 1st overall pic and you can pinpoint 2 games!!! Now compare what he has accomplished to all we have given up to get him AND all we had to do to get rid of him! Think about that, all we had to give up to get rid of a number one overall pick.

[whatever]

He's done average with great talent. 1st overall pic and you can pinpoint 2 games!!! Now compare what he has accomplished to all we have given up to get him AND all we had to do to get rid of him! Think about that, all we had to give up to get rid of a number one overall pick.

There were a lot more than 2 games. You don't get to 2 ProBowls based on 2 games.

Goff on a $31M over 2 years contract was worth about the same as Darnold with a $23M over 2 years contract. The Jets got a 2nd round pick and more for Darnold. We didn't have to give up picks to offload Goff. If the Lions were absorbing the additional $22M out of the original $53M contract then yeah, Goff has a zero or small negative value...but they didn't. We chose to eat the remaining $22M and give up an asset.

[armyram]

He's done average with great talent. 1st overall pic and you can pinpoint 2 games!!! Now compare what he has accomplished to all we have given up to get him AND all we had to do to get rid of him! Think about that, all we had to give up to get rid of a number one overall pick.

There were a lot more than 2 games. You don't get to 2 ProBowls based on 2 games.

Goff on a $31M over 2 years contract was worth about the same as Darnold with a $23M over 2 years contract. The Jets got a 2nd round pick and more for Darnold. We didn't have to give up picks to offload Goff. If the Lions were absorbing the additional $22M out of the original $53M contract then yeah, Goff has a zero or small negative value...but they didn't. We chose to eat the remaining $22M and give up an asset.

Do you believe he reached his ceiling with the Rams, I do! Goff can’t finish games, if Stafford was still on Lions they would probably have 3 wins, yeah not great still. If Goff was on Rams, same, we would probably have 2 more losses under our record. Hell, Goff started off 0-7 under Fisher and now 0-8 under Lions. Definitely not entirely his fault by any means but you have to bring something when things aren’t going your way. Pretty much a game manager, short throws and let’s hope for YAC yards and don’t turn the ball over, which he does. Don’t hate the man but it is what it is

[whatever]

Do you believe he reached his ceiling with the Rams, I do! Goff can’t finish games, if Stafford was still on Lions they would probably have 3 wins, yeah not great still. If Goff was on Rams, same, we would probably have 2 more losses under our record. Hell, Goff started off 0-7 under Fisher and now 0-8 under Lions. Definitely not entirely his fault by any means but you have to bring something when things aren’t going your way. Pretty much a game manager, short throws and let’s hope for YAC yards and don’t turn the ball over, which he does. Don’t hate the man but it is what it is

I'm not a Goff fan boy or hater. Goff played very well when surrounded by great talent. When he wasn't he didn't. At $31M/2 years he would have had positive trade value.

We beat the Lions and Seahawks both by 9 points and the Colts by 3. Highly unlikely we'd have lost at least 2 of those 3 games because of Goff. I don't care what the Lions would have done with Stafford, any more than I care what the Eagles would/might have done with Wentz. We traded a lot of resources for Stafford. We should be better in the short-term because of it. The Lions should be currently worse because of it. I think we've overpaid for Stafford. Others disagree, and i'm fine with that. We wasted more resources on Robinson at #2 overall than we'll waste on Stafford.