Lions writer: ‘Vast difference’ between Jared Goff and Matthew Stafford

[GlendoraRam]

Bottom post of the previous page:

I really don’t see anyone hating on Goff. In fact, I think most people here would like to see him do well. Last years critical blunders in a few games really soured some of us on Goff. We had seen enough, for me who had been a huge supporter, the time was right to move on. Simple as that.

[Yorkshire Ram]

I really don’t see anyone hating on Goff. In fact, I think most people here would like to see him do well. Last years critical blunders in a few games really soured some of us on Goff. We had seen enough, for me who had been a huge supporter, the time was right to move on. Simple as that.

Couldn't agree more. He will be a topic on here for the near future. Primarily because his recent play forced our HC and front office into a big decision that cost us key draft picks and cap space.

I liked Goff on the Rams, but I will always hold him accountable for the decision my team had to make (and the impact of that decision) until it is proven that he wasn't the issue.

[brasilrams]

I agree JG has lost some confidence. But I'm not sure it can't be regained. We'll just have to see it play out. Other reports have Goff playing well in DET. Really though, I'm not one that buys into most of these camp reports good or bad. Van Jefferson waa amazing in camp, till the season started. Demby too, now he's gone. I could go on and on and on.

Right now every team in the NFL is undefeated.

The confidence factor? I agree here. Like, how was Goff's confidence coming off his year with Fisher? He was labelled one of the all time biggest busts by many. Came back well obviously. If he suffers in Detroit tho, he may reach that point of no coming back.

We've seen him play good and not so good = declaring him finished seems premature, unless somebody can prove DC's have figured him out for good...

I can't prove but it is just my opinion that , this actually happened . Overwhelm the LOS with 6-7 defenders and use stunts and pretend you are gonna blitz every snap . On top of that , actually blitz , a LOT . That recipe works basically 100 % of the time against goff . He is not very good at reading defenses and he gets rattled easily , on top of not having any pocket awareness at all .

[Commish]

I agree JG has lost some confidence. But I'm not sure it can't be regained. We'll just have to see it play out. Other reports have Goff playing well in DET. Really though, I'm not one that buys into most of these camp reports good or bad. Van Jefferson waa amazing in camp, till the season started. Demby too, now he's gone. I could go on and on and on.

Right now every team in the NFL is undefeated.

Yes, and every team is quite optimistic about its new player acquisitions, whether they've arrived via the NFL draft, trades or free-agency signings.

On the "Rams Talk" discussion board back in 2009, numerous fans were enthusiatic about the upcoming season, which saw our team finish with a 1-15 record, ironically defeating only the Lions.

As for Jared Goff's NFL future, who knows? Four years ago he was immediatey being written off as a massive 'bust' based on his rookie season, so he's already enjoyed a much better NFL career than numerous talking-head 'experts' anticipated that he would.

When Matthew Stafford was drafted at #1 overall back in '09, he was expected to lead the Lions to the 'promised land' of regular championship contention during his tenure in Detroit.

Camp reports are strongly influenced by high optimism and wishful thinking, so I'm disinclined to take them all that seriously... ;) :?

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Commish]

Ok, back to the topic at hand. Goffs freshman season was 2013. First off, yes, they were a bad team... BUT what you failed to mention, is that they stayed a bad team DURING his time there.

2013: 1-11
2014: 5-7
2015: 8-5

So, even though they improved every season while Goff was a Golden Bear... Not sure how this is really 'turning them around'.

I'll give you credit for eventually realizing that going 8-5 is indeed posting a winning record.

However, I'm unclear on how improving the Golden Bears' record from one win to five wins and then to eight wins *isn't* considered "turning them around," nor how California was a "bad team" with a record of 8-5 during Jared Goff's final season there.

Disliking Goff as our team's former QB is one thing, however going back to retroactively disparage his collegiate career strikes me as being rather mean-spirited toward the guy.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of that going around these days--I'm not referring to mere honest skepticism though... :( :? :cry:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Commish]

You know I understand bringing him up from time to time. But the need to hate the guy or literally make this board revole around Goff is truly odd. Especially considering the Rams had so much good times with the guy. Like I said in anouther thread. Guys like Steven Jackson, Bruce, Holt and yes Jared Goff have my appreciation. Not my disdain.

Fans have literally lost their mind and rationale over this.

Agreed!

While being our team's starting QB over four years under the McVay/Snead regime, Jared Goff has led the Rams to a conference championship, two NFC West divisional titles, three playoff berths, four winning seasons and a 3-3 playoff record.

As a starter, his overall regular-season record under Sean McVay's coaching is 42-20.

The last QB before Goff to lead our team to four or more winning seasons was Roman Gabriel, who notched six in a row from 1966-71--however, his playoff record was 0-2.

As a fan of the Good Guys, I'll always have fond memories of the Rams' on-the-field success under Goff... 8-) :idea:

ram power...

--The Commish

[Commish]

I'll give you credit for eventuially realizing that going 8-5 is indeed posting a winning record.

However, I'm unclear on how improving the Golden Bears' record from one win to five wins and then to eight wins *isn't* considered "turning them around," nor how California was a "bad team" with a record of 8-5 during Jared Goff's final season there.

Disliking Goff as our team's former QB is one thing, however going back to retroactively disparage his collegiate career strikes me as being rather mean-spirited toward the guy.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of that going around these days--I'm not referring to mere honest skepticism though... :( :? :cry:

ram pathos...

Not even what I was getting at nor did I try and disparage or was mean spirited with anyone. This was a debate with Hellram, lot more to it.

Well, I was only interested in this particular assertion about Jared Goff's collegiate fooptball career, which I believe that you've misrepresented in claiming that the 2015 Golden Bears (8-5 record) were a "bad team."

Don't take it personally, I enjoy debating football-related issues here without 'personalizing' any disagreements, I don't keep track of whom I agree or disagree with on particular subjects... 8-) :P

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[NN1Badboy]

Im sure mommies will come out on both sides with this... but hey, this is good news for us.

If Goff has been taking that 10 yards over the deep bomb in the last two years, how much different is it going to be for the Rams now that they have the guy who gives it 100-percent of his elbow mustard 99-percent of the time?

I can’t wait to see this vast difference in a real game.


In a nut shell.... No More Dinking and Dunking!

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2021/8/4/ ... w-stafford

Great post DM. I am also very excited. I know we are going to see some costly interceptions by Stafford this year, but i’m ready to see a QB who believes in himself and isn’t afraid of taking risks. Big risks lead to big rewards.

[LA RAMSGUY 78]

AGAIN JG has lost his confidence to play the position. It doesn’t take a football guru to have noticed such the last two years. Changing uniforms isn’t changing this.

I agree JG has lost some confidence. But I'm not sure it can't be regained. We'll just have to see it play out. Other reports have Goff playing well in DET. Really though, I'm not one that buys into most of these camp reports good or bad. Van Jefferson waa amazing in camp, till the season started. Demby too, now he's gone. I could go on and on and on.

Right now every team in the NFL is undefeated.

See: Marc Bulger

[grackler]

While he was playing in the PAC, opposing coached were well aware that so long as Goff could throw unimpeded, he was effective. Put any kind of rush in his face and he would become increasingly gun shy and ineffective.
Why anyone thought that Goff's game would change and improve when he was subjected to a pro rush is beyond me.

[Rammer]

Just an observation - this negative post about Goff has a 100% board rating. A few posts down is a positive review from his new head coach and this has no rating.

[Commish]

I agree JG has lost some confidence. But I'm not sure it can't be regained. We'll just have to see it play out. Other reports have Goff playing well in DET. Really though, I'm not one that buys into most of these camp reports good or bad. Van Jefferson waa amazing in camp, till the season started. Demby too, now he's gone. I could go on and on and on.

Right now every team in the NFL is undefeated.

See: Marc Bulger

See: Jim Plunkett

8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[99rams]

Im sure mommies will come out on both sides with this... but hey, this is good news for us.

Per Turf Show:

There has already been talk this week that new Detroit Lions quarterback Jared Goff isn’t exactly “throwing deep” in training camp so far. Goff has dusted that noise off by saying that he can only take what the defense gives him — and I’ll rush to his defense to say that “a few practices” does not make a full report — but it’s not a new song being sung.

That’s on a macro level, but on a micro level, one Lions writer pointed to a key example of how certain plays that were available to Stafford over the last 12 years do not seem to be available to 2016’s first overall pick, going as far as to say that “There’s just a difference in mentality” between the two quarterbacks.

The Athletic Detroit’s Nick Baumgardner, in a joint piece with national writer Chris Burke, noted on Tuesday that during one “routine” opportunity for a deep bomb in practice, Goff opted for the much shorter gain that was right in front of him:

”Stafford throws the deep ball there probably 99 times out of 100. Goff targeted Raymond instead, then threw it behind him a bit so it fell incomplete. There’s just a difference in mentality, and that’s assuming Goff even has the arm strength to hit a receiver in stride 50-plus yards deep while going against the grain.”
Some would argue that the difference in that mentality is not necessarily that Stafford is right and Goff is wrong. Should all great quarterbacks take that deep ball “99 out of 100 times”? Why 99 and not 100? What happened during that one play where Stafford chose to not throw it deep? If he would do that one time out of 100, could he maybe do it 10 times out of 100? 15? How many of those 100 get intercepted? How many of Goff’s short chucks get the job done plenty well enough?

Those are just some classic 2,000-years old riddle puzzles, but in the case of the upcoming NFL season, it also means that the inverse should be true.

If Goff has been taking that 10 yards over the deep bomb in the last two years, how much different is it going to be for the Rams now that they have the guy who gives it 100-percent of his elbow mustard 99-percent of the time?

I can’t wait to see this vast difference in a real game.


In a nut shell.... No More Dinking and Dunking!

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2021/8/4/ ... w-stafford

I haven’t read all the posts and I’m not a Goff apologist but consider this. Does Goff have some natural talent and instincts? Has he made incredible throws in big games where other good QBs may have failed? The Vikings, Chiefs, Bucs, Seahawks, 49ers, Giants, Cardinals, Saints games and many others come to mind.

Did McVay pigeon hole Goff as more limited than he is because he has ALWAYS ignored the OLine issues even after the epic signing of Whitworth? Did Goff excel and play lights out with Gurley before the Oline completely fell apart?

Goff has lost confidence and it will take a great OLine and a running game to regain his confidence but I remember the bombs to Woods, Cook, Kupp and the TEs on deep routes when he wasn’t hearing footsteps and seeing jailbreaks on every passing play.

Goff will never be the QB throwing darts going against the flow or creating on the run but if the Lions can protect him and give him the plays he runs best he may shock some teams who look past him. Could it be McVay impeded his development because he dumbed down the playbook rather than take what Goff could give him? For being a QB that had to be run out of town…he sure won a lot of games.

[toast49]

I agree that Goff wasn't throwing down the field much the last few seasons although the short and medium range stuff was mostly on point. Stafford has a much wider range of throwing motions he can go to depending on the pocket. It will be interesting to see if Goff gets that middle protection he needs to go deep more consistently. Ragnow could be what he needs.

[UtahRam]

The RAMS did very little if anything at all to upgrade the O-Line for this season so we will see how Stafford plays with the same weak O-Line. This will be the best way to show whether it's the QB or the O-Line. Goff won 10 games and there were some games where the O-Line played real well especially at the beginning of the season. Of course if Stafford fails behind this same personnel, people will say, "but...Akers was injured...blah, blah, blah...", but the O-Line has shown to me they are quite good at run blocking so I don't see a huge drop-off in our running game. Of course, the O-Line may gel a bit better than they did last year and McVay may take his head out of his ass a few more times but considering the O-Line is pretty much the same personnel from last year this is as good a test there is to see if Goff was the huge problem many think he was.