Lions writer: ‘Vast difference’ between Jared Goff and Matthew Stafford

[Cornell29]

No surprises here. We seen it last year, against the cowboys early season. Goff could have sealed the game and take the deep shot, instead he looked for the short throw/ held and ran. and the cowboys almost came back to win on the following drive. Good thing the refs seen the offensive pi by Gallup.

Mcvay said after the game that he wanted Goff to seal the game and take the shot down the field.

[Cornell29]

[Yorkshire Ram]

No surprises here. We seen it last year, against the cowboys early season. Goff could have sealed the game and take the deep shot, instead he looked for the short throw/ held and ran. and the cowboys almost came back to win on the following drive. Good thing the refs seen the offensive pi by Gallup.

Mcvay said after the game that he wanted Goff to seal the game and take the shot down the field.

Goff might be gun-shy. Seems alot like Bradford by HIS 5th year.

Very much so. Can't believe this is the guy I defended to the hilt up until not so long ago.

Everything you read about Stafford now talks about decisiveness, zip, taking shots, reading coverages, character - all things that have seemingly departed Goff's game (he never really read coverages well mind you) .

I thought the change of scenery might have benefited Goff, as I think it probably got very strained with him at McVay towards the end. However, that report just seems like a continuation of the Goff that many of us grew tired with.

[Bulldawg]

I do hope you guys know there is truly arm strength difference between the two. I know some moms say Goff can make all the throws, but Stafford has a velocity that only 3-4 people on this earth can match. It takes a lot more than a cannon to be a QB, but I'm not sure some of you realize his arm strength. Aaron Rogers can't touch him when it comes to that aspect of his game. (Yes, I said it.)

Yes, being a QB you have to read defenses, throw accurate passes, have pocket awareness, etc. I know. (Just adding this sentence before someone else does.)

[NorCal RF]

AGAIN JG has lost his confidence to play the position. It doesn’t take a football guru to have noticed such the last two years. Changing uniforms isn’t changing this.

[SinCityRam]

High praise from our future hall of famer.

That said, reading this is VERY interesting. Not saying it necessarily means anything either way, but the fact that these beat writers can already tell a difference in mentality and playing style does say volumes in my opinion. I guess we’ll see how it pans out for us and the Lions. I will say, I like our guy

[sanbagger]

AGAIN JG has lost his confidence to play the position. It doesn’t take a football guru to have noticed such the last two years. Changing uniforms isn’t changing this.

I agree JG has lost some confidence. But I'm not sure it can't be regained. We'll just have to see it play out. Other reports have Goff playing well in DET. Really though, I'm not one that buys into most of these camp reports good or bad. Van Jefferson waa amazing in camp, till the season started. Demby too, now he's gone. I could go on and on and on.

Right now every team in the NFL is undefeated.

Van Jefferson didn't play much...when he did he looked smooth like Tennessee whisky...not sure that was a good example...in fact we heard tons about Xavier last camp and he didn't play much either.

Now if we heard Demby was killin it al pre-season then you could have a case...but I don't remember seeing any of those reportsl

[RamPower]

AGAIN JG has lost his confidence to play the position. It doesn’t take a football guru to have noticed such the last two years. Changing uniforms isn’t changing this.

I agree JG has lost some confidence. But I'm not sure it can't be regained. We'll just have to see it play out. Other reports have Goff playing well in DET. Really though, I'm not one that buys into most of these camp reports good or bad. Van Jefferson waa amazing in camp, till the season started. Demby too, now he's gone. I could go on and on and on.

Right now every team in the NFL is undefeated.

The confidence factor? I agree here. Like, how was Goff's confidence coming off his year with Fisher? He was labelled one of the all time biggest busts by many. Came back well obviously. If he suffers in Detroit tho, he may reach that point of no coming back.

We've seen him play good and not so good = declaring him finished seems premature, unless somebody can prove DC's have figured him out for good...

[NorCal RF]

AGAIN JG has lost his confidence to play the position. It doesn’t take a football guru to have noticed such the last two years. Changing uniforms isn’t changing this.

I agree JG has lost some confidence. But I'm not sure it can't be regained. We'll just have to see it play out. Other reports have Goff playing well in DET. Really though, I'm not one that buys into most of these camp reports good or bad. Van Jefferson waa amazing in camp, till the season started. Demby too, now he's gone. I could go on and on and on.

Right now every team in the NFL is undefeated.

Agree actually with most of your reply.

I too don’t get excited about QB’s in training camp. Fact is most look great. Goff though I’ve read more than once the last week is back to a lot of check down passes of his choice.

I think it can be regained in regards to his confidence. But a lot IMO is between the ears with him. McVay clearly decided he didn’t have the time anymore to try to fix it. In today’s NFL not sure if many teams do.

I will say it again if VJ gets sufficient enough of snaps this year he will excel with Stafford at QB. He just needs to play more. I think the kid can be damn good.

[NorCal RF]

Van Jefferson didn't play much...when he did he looked smooth like Tennessee whisky...not sure that was a good example...in fact we heard tons about Xavier last camp and he didn't play much either.

Now if we heard Demby was killin it al pre-season then you could have a case...but I don't remember seeing any of those reportsl

Well the fact he couldn't beat out the rather ineffective Reynolds says a lot really. I like Van J but doesn't negate the fact he wasn't up to par when push came to shove. Oh and Demby was a fan favorite around here. Reports were he was in working hard and in good shape. Unfortunately, he just sucked at the playing part.

McVay I felt thought Reynolds earned the right to be the 3rd WR last year after kinda waiting his turn. Not a reflection on VJ IMO. I agree with bagger every time the ball was thrown to him he usually made the catch. Only can do what is given to you.

Also we will see more 4 WR sets this year because of Stafford. I think alot more. That just wasn’t the case last year with Goff and McVay because of what we have been discussing about Goff.

[sanbagger]

Van Jefferson didn't play much...when he did he looked smooth like Tennessee whisky...not sure that was a good example...in fact we heard tons about Xavier last camp and he didn't play much either.

Now if we heard Demby was killin it al pre-season then you could have a case...but I don't remember seeing any of those reportsl

Well the fact he couldn't beat out the rather ineffective Reynolds says a lot really. I like Van J but doesn't negate the fact he wasn't up to par when push came to shove. Oh and Demby was a fan favorite around here. Reports were he was in working hard and in good shape. Unfortunately, he just sucked at the playing part.

Josh brought a different skill set to the equation whereas VJ fit more in the Woods/Kupp type of skill set.....also, Josh was hardly rather ineffective, in fact he played pretty damn good and I even commented that Reynolds was keeping VJ off the field.

I get what you are saying about training camp reports and really I don't disagree....I just think VJ was a poor example...I could agree with Blythe, Evans...but not a rookie that wasn't gonna play much anyway and when he did looked good.

I don't recall the Demby is killing it in camp reports maybe you could pull one and show me cause I for sure missed it.

[sanbagger]

Josh brought a different skill set to the equation whereas VJ fit more in the Woods/Kupp type of skill set.....also, Josh was hardly rather ineffective, in fact he played pretty damn good and I even commented that Reynolds was keeping VJ off the field.

I get what you are saying about training camp reports and really I don't disagree....I just think VJ was a poor example...I could agree with Blythe, Evans...but not a rookie that wasn't gonna play much anyway and when he did looked good.

I don't recall the Demby is killing it in camp reports maybe you could pull one and show me cause I for sure missed it.

Reynolds played good? You're kidding right? The bum signed a 1.5 million dollar deal in the offseason. The guy almost didn't even get signed he played so poorly last year.

He had 52 receptions last year and several were key contested 3rd down receptions...yes, he had a good year for a 3rd receiver. He is never going to be a number 1 but he was solid last year....he is not a bum sorry

[Bulldawg]

I went to camp, saw Stafford, and was very impressed with his throws. I’m one that believes that Stafford is a huge upgrade. I never was happy with the version of Goff that sat on the bench and sulked.

With that said, for his first three games Goff is facing the 49ers, Packers and the Ravens. I’ve got all three as losses and I expect some of the Lions fans and the local press to turn on him. It will be interesting to see how he handles that adversity.

We all know Goff struggles in cold weather. So yes, these first 3 games are daunting... but look at this entire schedule... Good freaking luck!

COLD GAMES AT: GB, Chicago, Steelers, Cleveland, Denver, Seattle.

OTHER HARD GAMES: San Fran, Ravens, Rams, GB, Eagles,

I honestly do not see the Lions winning one of these 9 games. They could very easily go 5-11, maybe even 4-12.

YOU CAN BOOK IT. 8-)

Is this the same guy that posted 2 months back he thought Detroit could possibly make the playoffs? I could have you confused DMR. ;-P

[Bulldawg]

Is this the same guy that posted 2 months back he thought Detroit could possibly make the playoffs? I could have you confused DMR. ;-P

Im not sure, it could be. I was mixing a lot of meds after my knee surgery. I dont remember much. Maybe I was just thinking Goff would go out there and prove us all wrong. But, after some research... I def didnt do my homework.

There is NO way this team even knocks on the playoff door. Not after looking at this schedule and knowing Goff doesn't have that many tools to work with out there. Plus, the head coach is weird. I dont see that guy winning very much.

I will admin I was wrong before I could even prove it! I was wrong and ill prove it this season

Hahaha...yeah my assessment was nothing against Goff. I just think Detroit needs a couple years to get their defense going. Also, I don't have any faith in their receivers. Goff, Swift, Ragnow, Hockenson, and Okudah are their only players.

[RJM]

Not interested in Lions news. JG is gone … Did some really great things for us, but did also have some clunkers the last 2 years. (Although … Definitely a gamer with the thumb against Seattle and Green Bay.) He seems like a good guy, so I do wish him well. BUT… I would rather hear Rams news. JG is no longer Rams news. Let’s go #9!!! I am excited to see him take meaningful snaps. Love who he will have catching for him too. Hope the line does it’s job and does not become a topic. Go Rams!

[NorCal RF]

McVay I felt thought Reynolds earned the right to be the 3rd WR last year after kinda waiting his turn. Not a reflection on VJ IMO. I agree with bagger every time the ball was thrown to him he usually made the catch. Only can do what is given to you.

Also we will see more 4 WR sets this year because of Stafford. I think alot more. That just wasn’t the case last year with Goff and McVay because of what we have been discussing about Goff.

Regardless, he couldn't beat Reynolds who really did not play well last year by in large.

As for the wr sets. That's a knock on McVay, not Goff. Especially Goffs background in a spread offense where he was use to 4 and 5 wr sets in college. Ironically with Anthony Lynn Goff will probably have more 4 and 5 WR sets in DET as well.

You are missing the point on Reynolds. Or refuse to see it………

I don’t agree with anything in this reply so we will agree to disagree.

[NorCal RF]

Reynolds played good? You're kidding right? The bum signed a 1.5 million dollar deal in the offseason. The guy almost didn't even get signed he played so poorly last year.

He had 52 receptions last year and several were key contested 3rd down receptions...yes, he had a good year for a 3rd receiver. He is never going to be a number 1 but he was solid last year....he is not a bum sorry

This^

But hey those stats define a “bum” as a 3rd receiver…………….

[toast49]

Another Stafford thread. We seem to be averaging two to three a day. I'm all in on Stafford. Super Bowl here we come. Can't wait till the next Stafford thread, 3, 2, 1

[Yorkshire Ram]

Another Stafford thread. We seem to be averaging two to three a day. I'm all in on Stafford. Super Bowl here we come. Can't wait till the next Stafford thread, 3, 2, 1

I'd say it's a Goff thread. Since a handful here seem to be in love with the guy secretly

He's an intrigue to me. Like I say, defended him to the hilt for a long period of his slump.i always thought he'd bounce back until he didn't.

I'm fascinated to see if it was all on Goff, or whether circumstances conspired against him.

We'll see soon enough, but some of these reports seem to suggest that Detroit still has the slumping Goff? Same old issues.

As for Stafford, the early reports are glowing - long may that continue. I'm excited to see his pairing with McVay, as I would imagine most Rams fans are?

[toast49]

Cmon guys your loafing. Where's our next Stafford thread. It's been at least an hour

[Raminec]

Another Stafford thread. We seem to be averaging two to three a day. I'm all in on Stafford. Super Bowl here we come. Can't wait till the next Stafford thread, 3, 2, 1

I'd say it's a Goff thread. Since a handful here seem to be in love with the guy secretly

Thats what i dont understand. I get the excitement for Stafford. Dont understand all the hate for Goff. For the trade to be a successfull the Rams need Matt Stafford to perform at an elite level. Thats the standard now. Whether Jared Goff performs well in Detroit is irrelevant and wont comfort anyone if the Rams arent successfull in 2021. I will always be gratefull for the success that the Rams had under Jared Goff. They had one of the best if not the best records in football from 2017-2020. They won two NFC West titles and one NFC Championship and a superbowl appearence and a wild card berth. Time to focus on what Matt Stafford can do for the Rams in 2021. Detroit Lion fans can focus on Jared Goff.

[toast49]

Thats what i dont understand. I get the excitement for Stafford. Dont understand all the hate for Goff. For the trade to be a successfull the Rams need Matt Stafford to perform at an elite level. Thats the standard now. Whether Jared Goff performs well in Detroit is irrelevant and wont comfort anyone if the Rams arent successfull in 2021. I will always be gratefull for the success that the Rams had under Jared Goff. They had one of the best if not the best records in football from 2017-2020. They won two NFC West titles and one NFC Championship and a superbowl appearence and a wild card berth. Time to focus on what Matt Stafford can do for the Rams in 2021. Detroit Lion fans can focus on Jared Goff.

You know I understand bringing him up from time to time. But the need to hate the guy or literally make this board revole around Goff is truly odd. Especially considering the Rams had so much good times with the guy. Like I said in anouther thread. Guys like Steven Jackson, Bruce, Holt and yes Jared Goff have my appreciation. Not my disdain.

Fans have literally lost their mind and rationale over this.

Goff was a winner with the Rams. Some amazing games and never lost a 2nd half lead. No idea why the hate. I'll be rooting for him this season

[GlendoraRam]

I was reading about the Lions backup QB. I guess he has no problem throwing the ball downfield. Goff may have some serious competition if he continues to think “check downs are his friend”.

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2021/08/bac ... eason.html

[NorCal RF]

And there you go “don’t have the mental fortitude”

This is the crap that needs to stop from this poster once and for all one way or another.

[EastBayRamsFan]

Goff might be gun-shy. Seems alot like Bradford by HIS 6th year.
[/quote]


Brooklyn-Never mention Jerad Goff and Samantha Bradford in the same sentence.

I see what you are saying but Outside of year one-She was always gun-shy (and always fragile and horrible).

I post “phantom sack” Jim Everett is a better comparison.

[RamPower]

Obviously Goff could only take CAL so far. The Ducks (quality team for instance) pretty much roughed CAL up with Mariota and then V. Adams. It was clear Oregon had superior overall talent, sure. But really it was on defense where CAL got manhandled. Regardless, Goff was considered a 1st round talent by most. If you could truly tell he wasn't worthy of that at the time, hats off to you (you're in the wrong line of business). Goff wasn't CAL's problem.

Throwing out the Fisher Rams year, (where all QB's looked anemic), Goff was rolling his first two years with McVay. Deer in the headlights then? No more than any other top QB that gets rolled a few time a year I'd say. He impressed me as much as a QB probably could in how he handled the noise in that Saints NFC Champ game.

The last two years was different for Goff of course. So he regressed all on his own? Not in my opinion. But make no mistake, he did regress. I'd say the conditions for him to succeed changed when all-world Gurley was hurt/gone and the O-line was pretty pathetic two years ago (improved last year). Last year, yep Goff continued to go off the rails.

My guess is that McVay tired of the QB that needed those ideal conditions. In the NFL, those conditions are more uncommon, that is, there will be games (many games) where the defense pressure will be enormous. Goff suffered more than usual for a starting QB in those games overall I'd say. Sure even great QB's can be reduced to worthless facing enormous pressure (P. Manning vs. SEA in the Super Bowl after the amazing year he had). But again Goff seemed to be lacking when the pass rush was turned up. He couldn't make a defense pay for bringing extra players. Teams know if you're going to blitz, you better be able to tackle in the open field...but Goff more often than not couldn't expose that situation. McVay had seen enough. 

[Skyhook]

I went to camp, saw Stafford, and was very impressed with his throws. I’m one that believes that Stafford is a huge upgrade. I never was happy with the version of Goff that sat on the bench and sulked.

With that said, for his first three games Goff is facing the 49ers, Packers and the Ravens. I’ve got all three as losses and I expect some of the Lions fans and the local press to turn on him. It will be interesting to see how he handles that adversity.

We all know Goff struggles in cold weather. So yes, these first 3 games are daunting... but look at this entire schedule... Good freaking luck!

COLD GAMES AT: GB, Chicago, Steelers, Cleveland, Denver, Seattle.

OTHER HARD GAMES: San Fran, Ravens, Rams, GB, Eagles,

I honestly do not see the Lions winning one of these 9 games. They could very easily go 5-11, maybe even 4-12.

YOU CAN BOOK IT. 8-)

But DMR, didn't you predict a Lion playoff berth just a couple of months ago?

[brasilrams]

Im sure mommies will come out on both sides with this... but hey, this is good news for us.

Per Turf Show:

There has already been talk this week that new Detroit Lions quarterback Jared Goff isn’t exactly “throwing deep” in training camp so far. Goff has dusted that noise off by saying that he can only take what the defense gives him — and I’ll rush to his defense to say that “a few practices” does not make a full report — but it’s not a new song being sung.

That’s on a macro level, but on a micro level, one Lions writer pointed to a key example of how certain plays that were available to Stafford over the last 12 years do not seem to be available to 2016’s first overall pick, going as far as to say that “There’s just a difference in mentality” between the two quarterbacks.

The Athletic Detroit’s Nick Baumgardner, in a joint piece with national writer Chris Burke, noted on Tuesday that during one “routine” opportunity for a deep bomb in practice, Goff opted for the much shorter gain that was right in front of him:

”Stafford throws the deep ball there probably 99 times out of 100. Goff targeted Raymond instead, then threw it behind him a bit so it fell incomplete. There’s just a difference in mentality, and that’s assuming Goff even has the arm strength to hit a receiver in stride 50-plus yards deep while going against the grain.”
Some would argue that the difference in that mentality is not necessarily that Stafford is right and Goff is wrong. Should all great quarterbacks take that deep ball “99 out of 100 times”? Why 99 and not 100? What happened during that one play where Stafford chose to not throw it deep? If he would do that one time out of 100, could he maybe do it 10 times out of 100? 15? How many of those 100 get intercepted? How many of Goff’s short chucks get the job done plenty well enough?

Those are just some classic 2,000-years old riddle puzzles, but in the case of the upcoming NFL season, it also means that the inverse should be true.

If Goff has been taking that 10 yards over the deep bomb in the last two years, how much different is it going to be for the Rams now that they have the guy who gives it 100-percent of his elbow mustard 99-percent of the time?

I can’t wait to see this vast difference in a real game.


In a nut shell.... No More Dinking and Dunking!

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2021/8/4/ ... w-stafford

Been telling everyone here that Goff is on the road to backup-ville, (Mariota-ville). Then soon after retirement-ville.

But...but....what about mcvay?? His system doesn't suit Goff well. He doesn't know how to use Goff.

[toast49]

We haven't had Moms since Bradford and the ol st louis board, but since Stafford has arrived we have some posters greasing it up and kneeling before him. Pretty cringe. The last few years with McVay and Goff has been pretty even on this board. Not sure why it's changed so fast

[GlendoraRam]

I really don’t see anyone hating on Goff. In fact, I think most people here would like to see him do well. Last years critical blunders in a few games really soured some of us on Goff. We had seen enough, for me who had been a huge supporter, the time was right to move on. Simple as that.