Wolfie in trouble?

[Yorkshire Ram]

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The 21st ranking IMO is iffy at best. His sample size is small. He could rank higher or lower.
If he's the guy, he's the guy and I'll get behind him the second he's on the roster like with everyone else.
Don't always like them.... but AFAIC there's no face once the gear goes on. Just a Ram.

I completely agree. I have nothing against him at all. I just don't think undrafted QBs are destined to last long in the NFL. I don't have any sentiment attached to him from last year so I look at him with a different set of eyes. I pull for all 90 players, not just the 53. I hope they all make a team somewhere.

Just to clarify, I don't have any sentiment attached to Wolford either. Also would like to clarify further that I meant absolutely no disrespect to you in my earlier post. I was purely meaning you weren't around last year when the Goff/Wolford debate was first raging!

You're a great addition to the forum and provide some really insightful and positive input. I hope you didn't take the offence that others did, I must choose my words more carefully!

[RamPower]

The 21st ranking IMO is iffy at best. His sample size is small. He could rank higher or lower.
If he's the guy, he's the guy and I'll get behind him the second he's on the roster like with everyone else.
Don't always like them.... but AFAIC there's no face once the gear goes on. Just a Ram.

Yep.

It's all a guess - though CBS sports is one of more legit NFL sources IMO. Again who knows with extremely limited sample sizes as you say…look at the 10 or 15 ahead of Wolford for that matter. For the most part, the only players that are rated high are the players drafted/projected to be starters. Beyond that, the best back-ups are still comprised of those who failed as starters.

Some fans keep acting like other teams having solid back-ups as a simple given = uh no, just the opposite. A back-up stepping in for a franchise QB without missing a beat would be pretty rare. Maybe some early (game or two) success, but c'mon be realistic. NFL QB is the hardest job in Pro sports. If you are cut out to be an NFL starter, you likely already are one - this isn't the 60's.

It's actually a testament to Wolfold that he impressed coaches and experts in the amount of time that he did. He was about the only thing happening offensively in a positive way in that AZ game, the most important game of the year obviously to that point. AZ was playing with definite playoff intensity on defense. We couldn't pass block well. Couldn't run block/no run game. Couldn't catch. Made stupid penalties. Wolford was easily the best performer on a McVay offense in his first NFL start (again basically a playoff game). He made the important plays. His teammates were mostly missing in action.

My guess? The 2020 Goff would have lost that game. McVay reportedly loved what he had in Wolford (compared to Goff of course). Wolford played his way into starter in the playoffs. Goff played his way out of town. Goff's thumb? Did it look bad in their Green Bay game? McVay obviously knew what Goff's physical condition was - yet it's likely he would have gone with Wolford if he would have cleared. After 4 years with McVay, Goff was the second option over the rookie. Again the thumb? Look how beat up Murray was in that AZ game, yet they went with him (i.e. he appeared much worse physically than Goff).

If Wolford gets beat out at back-up, great. That just means somebody outplayed him.

[RamPower]

Yep.

It's all a guess - though CBS sports is one of more legit NFL sources IMO. Again who knows with extremely limited sample sizes as you say…look at the 10 or 15 ahead of Wolford for that matter. For the most part, the only players that are rated high are the players drafted/projected to be starters. Beyond that, the best back-ups are still comprised of those who failed as starters.

Some fans keep acting like other teams having solid back-ups as a simple given = uh no, just the opposite. A back-up stepping in for a franchise QB without missing a beat would be pretty rare. Maybe some early (game or two) success, but c'mon be realistic. NFL QB is the hardest job in Pro sports. If you are cut out to be an NFL starter, you likely already are one - this isn't the 60's.

It's actually a testament to Wolfold that he impressed coaches and experts in the amount of time that he did. He was about the only thing happening offensively in a positive way in that AZ game, the most important game of the year obviously to that point. AZ was playing with definite playoff intensity on defense. We couldn't pass block well. Couldn't run block/no run game. Couldn't catch. Made stupid penalties. Wolford was easily the best performer on a McVay offense in his first NFL start (again basically a playoff game). He made the important plays. His teammates were mostly missing in action.

My guess? The 2020 Goff would have lost that game. McVay reportedly loved what he had in Wolford (compared to Goff of course). Wolford played his way into starter in the playoffs. Goff played his way out of town. Goff's thumb? Did it look bad in their Green Bay game? McVay obviously knew what Goff's physical condition was - yet it's likely he would have gone with Wolford if he would have cleared. After 4 years with McVay, Goff was the second option over the rookie. Again the thumb? Look how beat up Murray was in that AZ game, yet they went with him (i.e. he appeared much worse physically than Goff).

If Wolford gets beat out at back-up, great. That just means somebody outplayed him.

Post of the Month RamPower. 100% accurate. And good for you you wont be getting NEARLY the amount of enraged lunacy brushback that I'd be getting had I Authored this post LOL. All good though crew...

Lol, thanks...but I don't mind getting a little of that lunatic brushback at times. That's sometimes the fun part too ;) It all depends how scary stupid it is I guess...

[Bulldawg]

I completely agree. I have nothing against him at all. I just don't think undrafted QBs are destined to last long in the NFL. I don't have any sentiment attached to him from last year so I look at him with a different set of eyes. I pull for all 90 players, not just the 53. I hope they all make a team somewhere.

Just to clarify, I don't have any sentiment attached to Wolford either. Also would like to clarify further that I meant absolutely no disrespect to you in my earlier post. I was purely meaning you weren't around last year when the Goff/Wolford debate was first raging!

You're a great addition to the forum and provide some really insightful and positive input. I hope you didn't take the offence that others did, I must choose my words more carefully!

I didn’t take offense at all. You did say “with all due respect”. :-). I knew where you were coming from and I agree with me being new I am limited to some insight. All good here.

[RamPower]

Lol, thanks...but I don't mind getting a little of that lunatic brushback at times. That's sometimes the fun part too ;) It all depends how scary stupid it is I guess...

I HOPE you do get it. I wont feel singled out. Be prepared to defend yourself from Wolford the best Ram on the field that day from the 9 points 9 points 9 points lunatic fringe. LMAO

Oh yeah, I've been stuck in that 9 point time-loop argument quite a few times myself. The kid got virtually zero help, but kept on rolling. It was obvious who the offensive MVP was that day...like that doesn't mean anything when evaluating

[RamPower]

Oh yeah, I've been stuck in that 9 point time-loop argument quite a few times myself. The kid got virtually zero help, but kept on rolling. It was obvious who the offensive MVP was that day...like that doesn't mean anything when evaluating

Yeah, I guess people with either hurt feelings or with an agenda just wont evaluate fairly and TRULY honestly. Oh well...

I'm sure that was part of it, along with some ineffective talent evaluation skills. I mean, what a time/game to debut in your 1st NFL game for starters...

Just about every media source summed it up the same way (SBNation for instance):

Winner: John Wolford

By now you all know the story. John Wolford went undrafted in 2018, when 12 quarterbacks were selected. He had only taken professional snaps in the now-defunct Alliance of American Football. Then he was pressed into action on Sunday, making his NFL debut with Jared Goff sidelined with a thumb injury.
Had I told you before the game that he would finish 22-for-38 for 231 yards, with six carries for 56 yards, you would have happily lived with it.
But it was the manner in which he achieved those stats that was so impressive.
And then he was super strong. He made smart decisions, didn’t force issues, and put passes on the money. He used his legs to make big gains, both from broken plays and designed options. He didn’t let the early hiccup get him down.
It was a totally inspiring performance.

Winner: Defense

Winner: Jalen Ramsey

Winner: Troy Hill

Loser: Cam Akers

Losers: Van Jefferson and Austin Corbett

Loser: Offensive line

Loser: Gerald Everett

[RamPower]

I'm sure that was part of it, along with some ineffective talent evaluation skills. I mean, what a time/game to debut in your 1st NFL game for starters...

Just about every media source summed it up the same way (SBNation for instance):

Winner: John Wolford

By now you all know the story. John Wolford went undrafted in 2018, when 12 quarterbacks were selected. He had only taken professional snaps in the now-defunct Alliance of American Football. Then he was pressed into action on Sunday, making his NFL debut with Jared Goff sidelined with a thumb injury.
Had I told you before the game that he would finish 22-for-38 for 231 yards, with six carries for 56 yards, you would have happily lived with it.
But it was the manner in which he achieved those stats that was so impressive.
And then he was super strong. He made smart decisions, didn’t force issues, and put passes on the money. He used his legs to make big gains, both from broken plays and designed options. He didn’t let the early hiccup get him down.
It was a totally inspiring performance.

Winner: Defense

Winner: Jalen Ramsey

Winner: Troy Hill

Loser: Cam Akers

Losers: Van Jefferson and Austin Corbett

Loser: Offensive line

Loser: Gerald Everett

Yeah, accurate assessment by SB Nation. Cue the 9-point mantra hysterics...

Sure. I'm also sure fans felt the same way about Kurt Warner in the beginning. Am I comparing Wolford to Warner? No, only in that one doesn't know until we see them actually play. Wolford's sample size is very small of course, but still way more impressive than the 9 points obviously. I feel good about him as back-up at this point.

[brasilrams]

Oh sure it does. Not saying Mac would want to go into 2021 with Wolf as his starter ( though if it was Wolf or Goff possibly) but when he saw better results with a "backup" Quarterback than he was getting from his 1st overall pick Starter that's when he KNEW it was time to move on from JG.

Better results??? That's definitely a push....lets say Akers doesn't fumble. So we score what...16 or 17 points on offense against a team we usually score 30 plus against. I don't see how that's better.

I think McVay was done with Goff before Wolford ever played a snap. I also think McVay is more like Gruden and Martz then I would like. Not that it's a bad thing because those guys are good coaches as well. I just don't think it's McVays style to develop a QB. And that's fine as long as the results are there.

Let's also say highbee doesn't drop a perfect pass and that is 24 . Let's also say the o line protected wolf the same they protected goff in the first AZ game . Wolf was running for his life in every snap while goff had good protection . Context matters . IMO , Wolf is a better QB than 19-20 JG ( mcvay thinks that too because if wolf didn't get hurt he would be the starter against GB ) , but of course , not better than 17-18 goff . Because those 2 goffs are 2 totally different players . 17-18 goff was a top 5 QB . 19-20 goff BOTTOM 5 . His insane regression was a combination of a lot of things like no more gurley , worse o-line and himself .

[Rams since '66]

Let's also say highbee doesn't drop a perfect pass and that is 24 . Let's also say the o line protected wolf the same they protected goff in the first AZ game . Wolf was running for his life in every snap while goff had good protection . Context matters . IMO , Wolf is a better QB than 19-20 JG ( mcvay thinks that too because if wolf didn't get hurt he would be the starter against GB ) , but of course , not better than 17-18 goff . Because those 2 goffs are 2 totally different players . 17-18 goff was a top 5 QB . 19-20 goff BOTTOM 5 . His insane regression was a combination of a lot of things like no more gurley , worse o-line and himself .

Brasil, you bring up a good really points here. I have tried to think of another QB who had two phenomenal seasons than 2 subpar below average seasons. Cant think of many.

It's the tale of two QB's in a way. Some will blame a lot of this on McVay, but that doesn't cut the mustard to me. Why? Well because after the SuperBowl, Goff was never the same. That was not Seans fault. I think McVay was trying to get Goff to do different things, and it didnt work. Goff was limited and was extremely uncomfortable. So much so that he not only threw one but TWO pic 6's to D-Linemen...

As you mentioned, Gurley fell off the map and that didnt help ANYONE. I also blame a lot of it on the Oline... I have said this many times before, but Goff could still very well be a Ram right now if we had better protection (which still blows my mind we didnt address this in free agency OR the draft much). So from 30k foot view... There were a number of breakdowns. But Goff was the largest break down. Period. Wolford was simply way better at scrambling, that is why he did better than Goff imo.

Now to Stafford... what does he bring? Everything Goff struggled in. Maturity, ability to look at an entire field, and much more, and most of all... an open dialogue with McVay. From the looks of last season, both Goff and McVay broke down, the trust was gone I guess. But, in order for Stafford and our Rams to succeed... he needs to have time to throw the ball. Akers will be his Gurley, but I also think that we havent been this deep in weapons on offense in a long time. Look at our WR and TE group, prob top 5 or maybe even top 3 combo in all of football. I am also confident in our RB group, although I would have liked to see a large back for short yard situations... football in the past couple of years has steered way from the larger backs (unlike the 49ers who love a larger full back type back).

Bottom line, this season...there is a lot to look forward to. Just have to see how this Oline holds up. I am willing to bet a ton that if our Oline steps up and stays healthy... We could be in for an absolute PHENOMENAL 2021 season. I have chosen to believe that this season will be lights out good.

I in fact have more questions with our Defense than Offense actually. Morris is still a big unknown question mark to me.

It's not quite the same comp, but I keep coming back to Tony Eason. Rising star QB with the 85/86 Patriots. Then teams discovered he couldn't handle the blitz and it was all over for him. Goff didn't fold as badly and he still may turn it around but it feels the same to me.

[toast49]

Brasil, you bring up a good really points here. I have tried to think of another QB who had two phenomenal seasons than 2 subpar below average seasons. Cant think of many.

It's the tale of two QB's in a way. Some will blame a lot of this on McVay, but that doesn't cut the mustard to me. Why? Well because after the SuperBowl, Goff was never the same. That was not Seans fault. I think McVay was trying to get Goff to do different things, and it didnt work. Goff was limited and was extremely uncomfortable. So much so that he not only threw one but TWO pic 6's to D-Linemen...

As you mentioned, Gurley fell off the map and that didnt help ANYONE. I also blame a lot of it on the Oline... I have said this many times before, but Goff could still very well be a Ram right now if we had better protection (which still blows my mind we didnt address this in free agency OR the draft much). So from 30k foot view... There were a number of breakdowns. But Goff was the largest break down. Period. Wolford was simply way better at scrambling, that is why he did better than Goff imo.

Now to Stafford... what does he bring? Everything Goff struggled in. Maturity, ability to look at an entire field, and much more, and most of all... an open dialogue with McVay. From the looks of last season, both Goff and McVay broke down, the trust was gone I guess. But, in order for Stafford and our Rams to succeed... he needs to have time to throw the ball. Akers will be his Gurley, but I also think that we havent been this deep in weapons on offense in a long time. Look at our WR and TE group, prob top 5 or maybe even top 3 combo in all of football. I am also confident in our RB group, although I would have liked to see a large back for short yard situations... football in the past couple of years has steered way from the larger backs (unlike the 49ers who love a larger full back type back).

Bottom line, this season...there is a lot to look forward to. Just have to see how this Oline holds up. I am willing to bet a ton that if our Oline steps up and stays healthy... We could be in for an absolute PHENOMENAL 2021 season. I have chosen to believe that this season will be lights out good.

I in fact have more questions with our Defense than Offense actually. Morris is still a big unknown question mark to me.

It's not quite the same comp, but I keep coming back to Tony Eason. Rising star QB with the 85/86 Patriots. Then teams discovered he couldn't handle the blitz and it was all over for him. Goff didn't fold as badly and he still may turn it around but it feels the same to me.

Wish you hadn't brought up Eason LOL. I was at the Big A. when he launched that hail mary to Fryer. Talk about the air coming out of a crowd. Yikes

[RamPower]

Brasil, you bring up a good really points here. I have tried to think of another QB who had two phenomenal seasons than 2 subpar below average seasons. Cant think of many.

It's the tale of two QB's in a way. Some will blame a lot of this on McVay, but that doesn't cut the mustard to me. Why? Well because after the SuperBowl, Goff was never the same. That was not Seans fault. I think McVay was trying to get Goff to do different things, and it didnt work. Goff was limited and was extremely uncomfortable. So much so that he not only threw one but TWO pic 6's to D-Linemen...

As you mentioned, Gurley fell off the map and that didnt help ANYONE. I also blame a lot of it on the Oline... I have said this many times before, but Goff could still very well be a Ram right now if we had better protection (which still blows my mind we didnt address this in free agency OR the draft much). So from 30k foot view... There were a number of breakdowns. But Goff was the largest break down. Period. Wolford was simply way better at scrambling, that is why he did better than Goff imo.

Now to Stafford... what does he bring? Everything Goff struggled in. Maturity, ability to look at an entire field, and much more, and most of all... an open dialogue with McVay. From the looks of last season, both Goff and McVay broke down, the trust was gone I guess. But, in order for Stafford and our Rams to succeed... he needs to have time to throw the ball. Akers will be his Gurley, but I also think that we havent been this deep in weapons on offense in a long time. Look at our WR and TE group, prob top 5 or maybe even top 3 combo in all of football. I am also confident in our RB group, although I would have liked to see a large back for short yard situations... football in the past couple of years has steered way from the larger backs (unlike the 49ers who love a larger full back type back).

Bottom line, this season...there is a lot to look forward to. Just have to see how this Oline holds up. I am willing to bet a ton that if our Oline steps up and stays healthy... We could be in for an absolute PHENOMENAL 2021 season. I have chosen to believe that this season will be lights out good.

I in fact have more questions with our Defense than Offense actually. Morris is still a big unknown question mark to me.

It's not quite the same comp, but I keep coming back to Tony Eason. Rising star QB with the 85/86 Patriots. Then teams discovered he couldn't handle the blitz and it was all over for him. Goff didn't fold as badly and he still may turn it around but it feels the same to me.

Can you imagine if the Rams didn't come with max pressure against Goff and the Lions this season Good Lord if any team should know all about Goff's weaknesses...

[brasilrams]

Let's also say highbee doesn't drop a perfect pass and that is 24 . Let's also say the o line protected wolf the same they protected goff in the first AZ game . Wolf was running for his life in every snap while goff had good protection . Context matters . IMO , Wolf is a better QB than 19-20 JG ( mcvay thinks that too because if wolf didn't get hurt he would be the starter against GB ) , but of course , not better than 17-18 goff . Because those 2 goffs are 2 totally different players . 17-18 goff was a top 5 QB . 19-20 goff BOTTOM 5 . His insane regression was a combination of a lot of things like no more gurley , worse o-line and himself .

Wolfie wasn't running for his life....he chose to make plays with his legs.

Sorry....but Goff and Wolford played on the same team and had the same talent around them. You don't think players dropped passes when Goff threw to them To pretend otherwise is as Mike Schad says is lunacy. You're right context does matter and that context would suggest Goff did more with the Rams talent then Wolford did.

When Goff played the cards, Did highbee or any other player drop a perfect pass for a td ? No. Did Akers fumble the ball at 1 yard line ? No.

Also if you can't see the o line failed wolf miserably in that game, ( while they protected Goff pretty well in their first encounter) you need to pay more attention to the actual game.

It is easy to say of Goff was playing Arizona instead of Wolfe we would have lost the game because AZ brought the heat and their d line completely dominated our o line in that day and we all know what happens to Goff when he is under pressure. Goff would have finished that game with 4 turnovers and we would have lost.

[ocram23]

WARNING...OH BOY.... the gloves have come off.

BE READY FOR SOME SPARKS W THIS... LOL. Good one Toast.

Hope you're ready for the BLAST.

For all kids and ladies... maybe click out of this post now. Its about to get real dirty...

I think we do have some Wolford Mom's on here. Strange days indeed. I think he may be Mike's and Safety's love child.

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some of these guys already have him in Canton

[brasilrams]

When Goff played the cards, Did highbee or any other player drop a perfect pass for a td ? No. Did Akers fumble the ball at 1 yard line ? No.

Also if you can't see the o line failed wolf miserably in that game, ( while they protected Goff pretty well in their first encounter) you need to pay more attention to the actual game.

It is easy to say of Goff was playing Arizona instead of Wolfe we would have lost the game because AZ brought the heat and their d line completely dominated our o line in that day and we all know what happens to Goff when he is under pressure. Goff would have finished that game with 4 turnovers and we would have lost.

Nope, that's just your opinion and I disgree with it. Nor do I care for fabricated or projected scenarios.

What we do know is Wolf and Goff played with the same talent and Goff has a excellent track record against AZ. The rest of what you say is speculation by in large.

Not just my opinion. You can bet a lot of people in here will agree with me. But hey, you don't care even . I got it. Guess what? I also don't care about your opinion. I quoted you because I thought a civilized conversation could be possible but I guess not. Shouldn't have quoted you, that was my mistake and won't happen again.

[brasilrams]

Not just my opinion. You can bet a lot of people in here will agree with me. But hey, you don't care. I got it. Guess what? I also don't care about your opinion. I quoted you because I thought a civilized conversation could be possible but I guess not. Shouldn't have quoted you, that was my mistake and won't happen again.

How is our discussion not civil? Because I don't agree with you? C'mon that's not what civility is about.

All I'm saying is I don't care for fabricated scenarios. Lets be real here man, nobody knows what would have happened if Goff played that day. But based off history which isnt hypothetical Goff does play well against AZ. It's not like the Rams roster changed when Wolf played.

I agree it is hypothetical scenario if Goff would have won that second AZ game or not. Of course. But it is not fabricated scenario that highbee and Akers and the o line failed Wolfe big time in that game. That is a fact. Not my opinion. It is a team sport and If those players did their job better maybe the outcome of the game would have been even better, although Wolfe got the win but you guys keep comparing his stats to Goff stats against AZ. So when you compare, you gotta take into account : Akers fucking up, highbee fucking up and the o line not showing to play. That is just fair imo.

[RamPower]

Can you imagine if the Rams didn't come with max pressure against Goff and the Lions this season Good Lord if any team should know all about Goff's weaknesses...

Lynn runs a mulitple offense with spread principles. Which is something I've wished McVay would implement more to help combat the pressure. Surprisingly enough Goff did really well under pressure in college. I think him being in shotgun really helped then. As with McVays offense he's mostly always under center and having to sale play action which is great when you have time. Goff also struggles with pressure up the middle more so then outside pressure. The Lions have a top 3 center in Ragnow. Due to scheme and personnel what worked against the Rams scheme might not work as well against the Lions and what they will be trying to do.

Lions probably once more won't have much of a running game. Beyond Penei Sewell, the Lions largely went defense in the draft. I love the Sewell pick, but still a tough spot for a young player (age 20). Free agency didn't help Goff either (receiver). The Lions are in rebuilding mode safe to say. Simply put, I certainly don't expect him to be more successful than Stafford in Detroit - the Lions coaching staff is a question mark until they prove otherwise (Lynn is not missed by fans in San Diego).

Yes Goff seems well suited in a hurry up and shot-gun, but again, if any QB ever needed time (when the play action wasn't buying him some, ouch). He will need to get the ball out quickly. Will he even be looking downfield?

Regardless, I'm thinking he'll be hearing AD's footsteps when facing the Rams…Lions with around a 5 win total season doesn't seem out of reason. Are the Lions even trying to win this year? Most mocks have them taking a QB with a top selection. But Goff's a good guy. I'd like to see him succeed.

[RamPower]

How is our discussion not civil? Because I don't agree with you? C'mon that's not what civility is about.

All I'm saying is I don't care for fabricated scenarios. Lets be real here man, nobody knows what would have happened if Goff played that day. But based off history which isnt hypothetical Goff does play well against AZ. It's not like the Rams roster changed when Wolf played.

I agree it is hypothetical scenario if Goff would have won that second AZ game or not. Of course. But it is not fabricated scenario that highbee and Akers and the o line failed Wolfe big time in that game. That is a fact. Not my opinion. It is a team sport and If those players did their job better maybe the outcome of the game would have been even better, although Wolfe got the win but you guys keep comparing his stats to Goff stats against AZ. So when you compare, you gotta take into account : Akers fucking up, highbee fucking up and the o line not showing to play. That is just fair imo.

Yeah. Factor in playoff intensity for AZ that day too. Makes a difference. Rams O-line wasn't playing playoff quality football...

[brasilrams]

I agree it is hypothetical scenario if Goff would have won that second AZ game or not. Of course. But it is not fabricated scenario that highbee and Akers and the o line failed Wolfe big time in that game. That is a fact. Not my opinion. It is a team sport and If those players did their job better maybe the outcome of the game would have been even better, although Wolfe got the win but you guys keep comparing his stats to Goff stats against AZ. So when you compare, you gotta take into account : Akers fucking up, highbee fucking up and the o line not showing to play. That is just fair imo.

Nobody said it wasn't. But really...those things happen most games. Yeah Wolf caught some bad breaks that game. But so has Goff. I think people decipher what they validate based off what they feel. For example if you dont like Goff then the dropped passes matter more if they are thrown by Wolford. I don't remember you having the same reaction when Reynolds was half assing it when Goff was throwing to him or the multiple dropped passes by Everett this year. And really our pass pro has been suspect for 2 years now.

I would have the same reaction if we were comparing 2 games by 2 different qbs with the same roster around them , but in one game qb 1 clearly had help from his team mates and in the other game qb 2 had no help at all and his team mates crapped the bed . Like I said , it is not a FAIR comparison to compare goff's and wolfie's stats against AZ . Just because they were playing against the same team it doesn't mean the circumstances were pretty much the same . They were not . Not even close .

[RamPower]

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some of these guys already have him in Canton

Canton no, preferable alternative to Jared Goff in 2020 yes.

Wolford Moms? Lame expression, unless every f'ing back-up player fans think justifies a position on the team is a "Mom". Seriously stupid concept…

[toast49]

Well until he proves otherwise Wolford's QB rating stands at a sterling 64 which is terrible. So either he improves or someone takes his spot.

[brasilrams]

Well until he proves otherwise Wolford's QB rating stands at a sterling 64 which is terrible. So either he improves or someone takes his spot.

yeah Goff's qb rating was 58 last season ( good enough for 23rd in the league ) , no wonder why they showed him the door.

64 is good enough for a back up I guess ...but 58 for a 1st round overall pick and franchise qb.....geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzz

[ocram23]

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some of these guys already have him in Canton

Canton no, preferable alternative to Jared Goff in 2020 yes.

come on Mike you have a boner for this guy.

[toast49]

Well until he proves otherwise Wolford's QB rating stands at a sterling 64 which is terrible. So either he improves or someone takes his spot.

yeah Goff's qb rating was 58 last season , no wonder why they showed him the door.

64 is good enough for a back up I guess ...but 58 for a 1st round overall pick and franchise qb.....geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzz

Again we are talking Wolford as the backup QB. Goff had a 90.0 QB rating which isn't that good.

[brasilrams]

I would have the same reaction if we were comparing 2 games by 2 different qbs with the same roster around them , but in one game qb 1 clearly had help from his team mates and in the other game qb 2 had no help at all and his team mates crapped the bed . Like I said , it is not a FAIR comparison to compare goff's and wolfie's stats against AZ . Just because they were playing against the same team it doesn't mean the circumstances were pretty much the same . They were not . Not even close .

You're kidding me right?

You are right about this. One QB had help from his team and the other QB not as much.

When Goff played AZ the Cards scored 28 points and Goff lead the Rams to 38 points scored and threw for 351 yards.

When Wolford played AZ the Cards scored 7 points. And those 7 points happened because of a Wolford INT. If Wolford doesn't throw that INT the Rams defense probably shuts out the Cards.

I'm sorry but I don't know how anyone can suggest Goff had the easier win here.

good point about the defense . I can't deny that our D was much better in the second encounter . BUT , people pin point the lack of points that wolford produced ( when compared to goff ) , and in that side of the ball , our offensive players crapped the bed , and that didn't happen in the first game . But It is fair point about our defensive performance in both games .

[brasilrams]

yeah Goff's qb rating was 58 last season , no wonder why they showed him the door.

64 is good enough for a back up I guess ...but 58 for a 1st round overall pick and franchise qb.....geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzz

Goffs rating was 90 last year.

Stop with the obvious bias.

I said 58 for the overall season which is TRUE . They didn't show him the door because of his game against AZ ( which he played very well ) , they showed him the door because he led the league in turnovers over 3 years and had a 58 rating for the SEASON ( good for 23rd in the league ) .

[toast49]

Goffs rating was 90 last year.

Stop with the obvious bias.

I said 58 for the overall season which is TRUE . They didn't show him the door because of his game against AZ ( which he played very well ) , they showed him the door because he led the league in turnovers over 3 years and had a 58 rating for the SEASON ( good for 23rd in the league ) .

Goff had a rating of 90. Your referring to the flawed ESPN metric.

[brasilrams]

I said 58 for the overall season which is TRUE . They didn't show him the door because of his game against AZ ( which he played very well ) , they showed him the door because he led the league in turnovers over 3 years and had a 58 rating for the SEASON ( good for 23rd in the league ) .

Goff had a rating of 90. Your referring to the flawed ESPN metric.

he had 90 overall by PFF which means nothing because they rank differently but they placed JG even worse than ESPN . They placed him at 26th going into the 2021 season :

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterbac ... nfl-season

Poor lions .

[brasilrams]

he had 90 overall by PFF which means nothing because they rank differently but they placed JG even worse than ESPN . They placed him at 26th going into the 2021 season :

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterbac ... nfl-season

Poor lions .

No he had passer rating of 90. Which has been the main metric for passing stats for decades. This really shouldn't be complicated brasil.

I was talking qb rating not passer rating. It doesn't matter much because I am sure that if I search qbr and passer rating, it doesn't matter which site, Goff will be bottom 10 in both metrics for the 2020 season.( And 2019)

[Commish]

Nope, that's just your opinion and I disgree with it. Nor do I care for fabricated or projected scenarios.

What we do know is Wolf and Goff played with the same talent and Goff has a excellent track record against AZ. The rest of what you say is speculation by in large.

Agreed--under the McVay/Snead regime, if Jared Goff was ever intimidated by the Cardinals, I certainly don't recall it.

Goff wasn't replaced as the Rams' starting QB because of some fabricated 'history of failure vs. the Cardinals,' but simply because he had a broken thumb on his throwing hand.

After his early interception which led to a Cardinals' TD in that season finale, John Wolford played well enough to avoid losing the game, leaving our team's "D" in position to win it with a terrific performance--which it did.

That's pretty much what a backup QB is expected to do, step in for an injured starter then simply not cost his team the contest... 8-)

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Rams since '66]

Can we just say it? Wolfie is our backup and we will play good football.

[Rampager66]

When Goff played the cards, Did highbee or any other player drop a perfect pass for a td ? No. Did Akers fumble the ball at 1 yard line ? No.

Also if you can't see the o line failed wolf miserably in that game, ( while they protected Goff pretty well in their first encounter) you need to pay more attention to the actual game.

It is easy to say of Goff was playing Arizona instead of Wolfe we would have lost the game because AZ brought the heat and their d line completely dominated our o line in that day and we all know what happens to Goff when he is under pressure. Goff would have finished that game with 4 turnovers and we would have lost.

Nope, that's just your opinion and I disgree with it. Nor do I care for fabricated or projected scenarios.

What we do know is Wolf and Goff played with the same talent and Goff has a excellent track record against AZ. The rest of what you say is speculation by in large.

Yeah you see that a lot. What ifs for one side and opinions being sold as fact..... To hear some tell it Wolford belongs in the Pro Bowl or something... Fact is for the 5 Quarters, 5 minutes and 40 seconds he was our starting QB, his offense got outscored 14-12 by the opposition.... and I'm giving him credit for the 1st FG of WC weekend in Seattle on the drive he got injured and Goff finished... Wolford, like Stafford gets every excuse you can imagine and Goff, just the blame....