McVay On Stafford: "He's Even Better Than Advertised"

[brasilrams]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Haha...definitely seems like a Troll..

Stafford had 8 seasons where he threw over 4,000 yards. Fastest QB to get to 40,000 yards. I guess he did that in his one good season.

All those “fastest to” records and he still can’t crack most top 10 Qb lists heading into this season.

‘ Ranking NFL's top 10 quarterbacks of 2021: Patrick Mahomes No. 1; Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford miss the cut’

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/rank ... s-the-cut/

Like CBS rankings are the most accurate ever . BTW - if staff is not top 10 , then goff is not even top 25 .

Not that PFF is the most credible source ever , but staff is 11 here and goff is 26 .

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterbac ... nfl-season

NBC : Staff at 10 and Goff at 20 . lol

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/ ... s-top-list

I can keep going if you want to .

[TheLARamGuy]

I really hope Stafford is that good...but for McVay's sake I hope he is that good, because if he isn't I don't think the magician has anymore rabbits left to pull out of his hat.

[Commish]

It's just about a QB and his wins and losses huh (i.e. "Goff being 1-0 vs. Stafford").

Exactly!

That's how I've evaluated all of our team's past QB 'saviors' over the decades, and it's how I'll be assessing its most recent one, Matthew Stafford, as well.

"Wins and losses," that's the bottom line, pure and simple... 8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Commish]

nothing wrong seeing if an old dog has a year or two of success left in him

...

For instance - who said anything about age?

Who indeed...?? ;)

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Bulldawg]

Ok fellas, I have to come clean here on something... for a while I have been saying that the Lions could make the playoffs.

I am taking it all back. They won't win 7 games this season.

Sorry 'itsneverstaffordsfault'. You are in for yet ANOTHER doom and gloom Thanksgiving. While we're at it...YOU can forget about a enjoying Christmas because the only thing you will be looking forward to Xmas morning is a top draft pick in 2022 at that point.

Sorry sugar shorts.

You may need to change the handle to 'It's never the Lions fault' or 'Its never Goffs fault' or better yet, 'Its never your moms fault'.

Whatever it takes to get this IM-poster out of here and on over to loserville. I guess I do have some pitty on you man... you reside in Detroit... Depression must have set in and explains such an awful outlook in life, in general.

Ive had enough of this dude.

And Commish, AWFUL comparisons man. RamPower nailed it. Come on there, Mr. Western New York!

Hahahaha.

[toast49]

It's just about a QB and his wins and losses huh (i.e. "Goff being 1-0 vs. Stafford").

Exactly!

That's how I've evaluated all of our team's past QB 'saviors' over the decades, and it's how I'll be assessing its most recent one, Matthew Stafford, as well.

"Wins and losses," that's the bottom line, pure and simple... 8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

Stafford better win the Super Bowl or it's a fucking disaster.

[Bulldawg]

This is a really cool article that provides a lot of insight of the amount of work that is going on between Stafford and the receivers. Unfortunately, this is a subscription site so you probably won't be able to read the article. I would recommend a subscription. I think you can get initial for $1/month for 6 months.

Here are a few quotes that stood out. In summary, there is a lot of work to be done by the receivers and QB to get everyone on the same page. Don't expect it to be perfect during game 1 but we should get better each week. I think this is an example of why McVay has been bragging so much on Stafford.

“The only way a guy in my position can play ‘on time’ and ‘in rhythm’ is understanding exactly what’s going on around him at all times and feeling comfortable with it,” Stafford said. “To get that, in my opinion, you can definitely look at it on a screen, look at it on a piece of paper and take your notes, but until you get out there and watch Cooper Kupp run this route or Robert Woods run that route, that’s something that takes time and in-person repetition.”

“Within a drop, a quarterback has a lot of tools in terms of his eyes, his shoulders — where he’s trying to move guys,” Kupp said. “I think that’s the big thing, is understanding on plays: You might have two windows, you have the tight first window or you can hang on for the second window. And you have the conversation, ‘Would you rather hold this hook player away and try to zip this into the first window — or are you thinking you’re going to take him to me and hit this thing behind him?’

Tiny details and tweaks made for the comfort of both the receiver and quarterback as they establish a feel for one another can turn into major moments in live action. At one point in the spring, Woods said Stafford approached him because he was feeling a little off about the steps in a passing concept and felt as if he might look to throw a little bit earlier than what they had practiced. Woods told him that he could adjust accordingly and would get his eyes back around for the ball without a problem. Conversely, throughout the offseason, Woods would record pieces of his own film study and send little cut-ups to Stafford that communicated Woods’ preferred catch window in which to specifically maximize yards after the catch.

“The dialogue amongst one another — there’s so many things that go on in the absence of coaches and in between those white lines that is so beneficial,” McVay said. “The best teams that I’ve been a part of is where the players lead it. That’s where you have a chance to be great. We’ve got the guys in this building to be able to do those things. … I think Matthew’s natural ability to communicate with everybody … that’s a valuable thing. That’s sometimes where (my) best is to give a little bit of guidelines and then get the hell out of their way.”

https://theathletic.com/2660685/2021/06 ... s-offense/

[sanbagger]

This is a really cool article that provides a lot of insight of the amount of work that is going on between Stafford and the receivers. Unfortunately, this is a subscription site so you probably won't be able to read the article. I would recommend a subscription. I think you can get initial for $1/month for 6 months.

Here are a few quotes that stood out. In summary, there is a lot of work to be done by the receivers and QB to get everyone on the same page. Don't expect it to be perfect during game 1 but we should get better each week. I think this is an example of why McVay has been bragging so much on Stafford.

“The only way a guy in my position can play ‘on time’ and ‘in rhythm’ is understanding exactly what’s going on around him at all times and feeling comfortable with it,” Stafford said. “To get that, in my opinion, you can definitely look at it on a screen, look at it on a piece of paper and take your notes, but until you get out there and watch Cooper Kupp run this route or Robert Woods run that route, that’s something that takes time and in-person repetition.”

“Within a drop, a quarterback has a lot of tools in terms of his eyes, his shoulders — where he’s trying to move guys,” Kupp said. “I think that’s the big thing, is understanding on plays: You might have two windows, you have the tight first window or you can hang on for the second window. And you have the conversation, ‘Would you rather hold this hook player away and try to zip this into the first window — or are you thinking you’re going to take him to me and hit this thing behind him?’

Tiny details and tweaks made for the comfort of both the receiver and quarterback as they establish a feel for one another can turn into major moments in live action. At one point in the spring, Woods said Stafford approached him because he was feeling a little off about the steps in a passing concept and felt as if he might look to throw a little bit earlier than what they had practiced. Woods told him that he could adjust accordingly and would get his eyes back around for the ball without a problem. Conversely, throughout the offseason, Woods would record pieces of his own film study and send little cut-ups to Stafford that communicated Woods’ preferred catch window in which to specifically maximize yards after the catch.

“The dialogue amongst one another — there’s so many things that go on in the absence of coaches and in between those white lines that is so beneficial,” McVay said. “The best teams that I’ve been a part of is where the players lead it. That’s where you have a chance to be great. We’ve got the guys in this building to be able to do those things. … I think Matthew’s natural ability to communicate with everybody … that’s a valuable thing. That’s sometimes where (my) best is to give a little bit of guidelines and then get the hell out of their way.”

https://theathletic.com/2660685/2021/06 ... s-offense/

That was a good read...thanks man

[toast49]

Well if the Rams can get to the playoffs with a terrible Goff at QB and win a playoff game on the road then Stafford being a huge upgrade should get us a Super Bowl win easy. This season needs to be a Super Bowl win for the Rams. Can't miss with a giant upgrade at Quarterback

[Bulldawg]

Well if the Rams can get to the playoffs with a terrible Goff at QB and win a playoff game on the road then Stafford being a huge upgrade should get us a Super Bowl win easy. This season needs to be a Super Bowl win for the Rams. Can't miss with a giant upgrade at Quarterback

I disagree but I understand your thinking. The issue is this is a different team than last year along with every team being different. Theoretically, if you could take Stafford and put him on last years team then I would be more in agreement. I am not sure Goff could carry the Rams to the playoffs this year. Every team in the division has gotten better. It is a completely new year with different inputs (fans, injuries, new coaches, etc.) I don't think we can make a judgement based solely on a SB win. We will have to judge with our eyes/gut at the end of the season. What happens if KC goes 20-0 and fields the best team that has ever been? What if AD and/or Ramsey gets hurt? So many factors that can happen. Winning a Super Bowl is NEVER "easy". If so, Aaron Rogers would have more than 1 win. Don't forget Marino, Jim Kelly, etc. How many teams repeat a SB win every year? If a SB win is your sole criteria you may be looking at this with blinders on. I hope by the end of the season we will be able to say "Stafford was a lot better than Goff" based on more facts than just our record. I think we have a good chance to win a Super Bowl, but it won't be the only way I judge the season.

[NorCal RF]

Just private messaged Upland about spam poster .

It would be interesting to hear what he frowns upon more, someone engaging in football related discussions or someone that gives anyone they disagree with vulgar and obscene names or insults.

Actually he doesn’t take to kindly to the language or personal insults. We have been warned by him numerous of times.

He also doesn’t take to kindly to posters trying to stir up shit.

None has been justifiable to him no matter how some care to spin it to look like they are innocent.............

[Rammer]

Thanks for posting, that does provide some good insight and it makes it feel a bit more encouraging for the Ram offense, . The Rams could prove exciting this year if stafford, woods, cupp and others can develop chemistry early on. I think your OL/running game will be key. If they can give stafford clean pockets and ability to go through his reads with consistency and support him with run game, they could really roll. If Stafford is having to scramble and improvise, you will be in trouble.

Your family should be killed by terrorists

Whoa Shad, relax. Why are you letting this guy rile you up like this? I see nothing wrong with his response or any of the other ones. I don't know whether this guy a "troll" or just an actual Detroit fan offering his opinion. But what does it matter? If he is a troll, he is a carefully nuanced and respectful troll.

Where I live, I am dealing with the failure of the "process". Whether it was worth the risk to purposely tank 4 years away is debatable but ot but I'm glad that I didn't blindly trust it. With Stafford, lets all hope he wins a super bowl. Maybe he can. But In 12 years of not winning, not making pro bowls, not winning mvps, not experiencing playoff success (even less than Goff) - there is some room to question what his short comings may be.

[Cornell29]

Nice read on Stafford integrating into the Rams offense

https://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-r ... h-new-team

Your Wife takes big cock up her ass behind your back

Well at least it was behind his back and he didn't have to see it. That would be even worse.

[RamPower]

It's just about a QB and his wins and losses huh (i.e. "Goff being 1-0 vs. Stafford").

Exactly!

That's how I've evaluated all of our team's past QB 'saviors' over the decades, and it's how I'll be assessing its most recent one, Matthew Stafford, as well.

"Wins and losses," that's the bottom line, pure and simple... 8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

Yep, well I know you strive to keep it all "plain and simple"

Which can be an extremely narrow way to evaluate a QB overall. Obviously it's simplistic (wins/losses), certainly as it applies here.

Some QB's go out on top more or less (recently Brees and P. Rivers come to mind), and then there's the many that don't, say, pretty much the Rams QB's you keep referring to as potential "saviors" (I say they were more like complete question marks). But as with any player, it's always case by case. Rams gave up Goff and shiny draft picks for a reason. Right or wrong, the scenario is miles apart from your ex-Ram QB examples.

Namath came to the Rams as hot garbage after being released. Bartkowski was bounced garbage too (knees as bad as Namath). Bert Jones? Talk about garbage at that time. Foles, really? Hadl did ok…but again, who are these sources that were claiming "saviors"? The kids that lived next door to you? LOL

Ok, I mean, why would anybody think Stafford even has a chance in LA if implementing your logic (74-90-1 career record)…and yet most in the NFL with knowledge do expect him success with the Rams.

Just wait and see? Well no fucking duh! It's always wait and see, but NFL personnel doesn't have that luxury. They have to constantly make decisions. And fans get to participate in sports talk to agree or disagree as we go…

[RamPower]

nothing wrong seeing if an old dog has a year or two of success left in him

...

For instance - who said anything about age?

Who indeed...?? ;)

ram pathos...

--The Commish

Heat stroke?

Uh huh, yeah. Way to pick thru everything and find a word or two that makes you appear to have made a point. Yep, such a fine interpretation in my overall presentation. You've become the limbless Black Knight in Monty Python's The Holy Grail

Matthew Stafford is 33 years old now, hmmmm?

Ages of other key veteran QB 'saviors' when they joined our team:

Joe Namath--34

Steve Bartkowski--33 (turned 34 in November 1986)

John Hadl--33

Bert Jones--30 (turned 31 in September '82)

Nick Foles--26

As opposed to referring to kicking the tires on some old vets - saviors LOL!

[Raminec]

Just private messaged Upland about spam poster .

I’ve been reading this whole thread and I just want to say if Upland is going to take any action he should also suspend your access until you grow up Mike. Your comments are beyond disgusting. You are currently the biggest problem on this board. You need a timeout.

[Raminec]

I’ve been reading this whole thread and I just want to say if Upland is going to take any action he should also suspend your access until you grow up Mike. Your comments are beyond disgusting. You are currently the biggest problem on this board. You need a timeout.

Raminec, are you "ItsNeverStaff'sFault?"

No. But your act is growing tired. This isn’t the Mike Schad Rams board. You can agree or disagree with other posters without attacking them personally. Your comments on this board make you look like a psychopath. If Upland is going to remove anyone it should begin with you. You need a timeout.

[NorCal RF]

Just private messaged Upland about spam poster .

I’ve been reading this whole thread and I just want to say if Upland is going to take any action he should also suspend your access until you grow up Mike. Your comments are beyond disgusting. You are currently the biggest problem on this board. You need a timeout.

Biggest problem on this board? No in my strong opinion.

Should be suspended for a few weeks or given one damn strong warning that these disgusting comments from him are over and will not be repeated? Absolutely yes!! And I respect the fact that this is uplands forum.

To hope ones children get hit by a truck or one’s wife gets cancer is despicable. Let alone the other garbage he has said to this individual Bash me all you want Mike but such replies are yes disgusting and very damn concerning. You have no right to subject this board to such.

[Raminec]

No. But your act is growing tired. This isn’t the Mike Schad Rams board. You can agree or disagree with other posters without attacking them personally. Your comments on this board make you look like a psychopath. If Upland is going to remove anyone it should begin with you. You need a timeout.

Wrong again Wollymom I mean Raminec and you definitely WAS itsNeverStaff LOLOL What a tool. Upland"s gonna sit you down again.

So you’re the board bully and asst. administration now. Seriously Mike you used to have some decent takes but recently your posts are so desperate and lacking any real football insights. I don’t think anyone on this board thinks your personal attacks are tasteful but you have encouraged some of the other teenagers to post similar unnecessary comments. I think the Off topic section is fair game for personal attacks but Rams Talk should try to retain some sense of respectability.

[Commish]

Exactly!

That's how I've evaluated all of our team's past QB 'saviors' over the decades, and it's how I'll be assessing its most recent one, Matthew Stafford, as well.

"Wins and losses," that's the bottom line, pure and simple... 8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

Yep, well I know you strive to keep it all "plain and simple"

Which can be an extremely narrow way to evaluate a QB overall. Obviously it's simplistic (wins/losses), certainly as it applies here.

But my point isn't about "evaluating" any particular QB's overall career in the NFL, it's simply about how successful he is as a starter for the Rams.

Sure, Joe Namath was an AFL Most Valuable Player and a Super Bowl MVP, plus he's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame (a selection I question though), however I was only concerned with his rather inept, brief tenure as our team's starting QB back in 1977.

An assessment of Matthew Stafford's NFL career up to this point doesn't matter to me, I'm only going to be concerned about how the Good Guys function under his offensive leadership, the bottom line being wins or losses, and ultimately championships won or not.

I haven't criticized anyone for being highly enthusiastic about the our team's acquisition of Stafford, I've merely pointed out the historic reasons why I don't share that degree of enthusiasm.

That such a skeptical approach on my part means that I'm purportedly not a "real Rams fan" in the view of some posters, I believe I'll manage to survive that situation... 8-) :P

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Skyhook]

My god Mike, it's only a message board. You know how many nutjobs roam NFL message boards? They're everywhere.

How hard is it for guys like yourself to just stand in the background and watch the trolls flameout all on their own?

Instead, you'd rather throw more gas on the fire.

[NorCal RF]

So you’re the board bully and asst. administration now. Seriously Mike you used to have some decent takes but recently your posts are so desperate and lacking any real football insights. I don’t think anyone on this board thinks your personal attacks are tasteful but you have encouraged some of the other teenagers to post similar unnecessary comments. I think the Off topic section is fair game for personal attacks but Rams Talk should try to retain some sense of respectability.

Yes I am on the board as asst administrator, I've been in touch with Upland and gotten people sat down. He KNOWS I'm a fan with the board and the team's best interest at heart. Someone new comes on the board with the screen name attacking our starting quarterback and you don't see a problem with that poster? I'M the problem here? Gimme a break. And I always have good takes because as a 55 year old East Coast Rams fan I happen to know my shit, just like a lot of other great posters here.

Upland is he assistant administrator?

[toast49]

Yes I am on the board as asst administrator, I've been in touch with Upland and gotten people sat down. He KNOWS I'm a fan with the board and the team's best interest at heart. Someone new comes on the board with the screen name attacking our starting quarterback and you don't see a problem with that poster? I'M the problem here? Gimme a break. And I always have good takes because as a 55 year old East Coast Rams fan I happen to know my shit, just like a lot of other great posters here.

Upland is he assistant administrator?

I wouldn't doubt it. Could be why he feels he has license to go off like he has.

[Raminec]

Dont get mad at Raminec? He's a PRIME suspect (Wollymom) don't really mind that I'm over the top because an Internet troll is the lowest form of human life that deserves it. Should I go on a Seattle Seahawks message board with the handle "it's never Russell's fault?" How would that go over. Fuck this piece of shit waste of life I stand by what I said and all those things should happen to him.

Ok man. We are in the same corner with the imposter. Just different ways to handle it. All I was stating is that Upland will only let this go on for so long. But if you think about it, if this detroit dude is someone we know already... this maybe his whole angle in getting some of us kicked off our own site. Genius actually. Totally screwed up, but it is almost working. All I am saying is that the troll will only last for so long. They come and go in here. No one keeps going some where they arent like. I mean none of us think this detroit guy is in here to just have some amicable debates. He plays the innocent card, but we're not stupid man. He is on a mission (since 2014 according to him) to destroy Stafford. We won't let him do that.

Do what you do man, just was trying to keep things civil.

I get it that the guy might be trolling but the way you get rid of a troll is to ignore him. Everyone has a mute button to avoid reading and feeding trolls. What is more concerning is how Mike has attacked regular members of this board of late when they have a view of things that don’t completely fall in line with his doctrine. He doesn’t attack those members with psychopathic crazy shit like he did the Detroit fan but he does diminish their views by saying that they know nothing about football and other bs. Now he’s threatening to remove someone because they checked him for his disgusting ( hope your wife gets cancer, hope your kids get hit by a truck) psycho comments. Who actually thinks that way? If he has his way Rams Talk Forum is going down the toilet. There is NO excuse for his behavior. If he was on ANY other board he would have been banned already. This used to be a place where people could share their passion for being a Rams fan. Now you’re welcome to share only opinions that Mike agrees with. I have not posted for a month prior to today and I noticed that some of the more knowledgeable Rams fans are no longer posting regularly. Could be because it’s the off-season or very possible I’m not the only one tired of The Mike Schad show.

[NorCal RF]

Upland is he assistant administrator?

I wouldn't doubt it. Could be why he feels he has license to go off like he has.

If he is and the administrator is ok with such attacks............ Upland has clearly stated in the past he is not................

If he is not assistant administrator but stating he is................. additional more very concerning.

[Commish]

Nice read on Stafford integrating into the Rams offense

https://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-r ... h-new-team

Ideally, Matthew Stafford will be doing a whole lot of handing off to Cam Akers and Darrell Henderson Jr. this year, especially early in the season, while he works on connecting smoothly to our team's receivers.

The Rams' opening game being against the Bears, that should have the guy feeling pretty familiar with his first opponent, anyway... 8-) :geek:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[NorCal RF]

Ok man. We are in the same corner with the imposter. Just different ways to handle it. All I was stating is that Upland will only let this go on for so long. But if you think about it, if this detroit dude is someone we know already... this maybe his whole angle in getting some of us kicked off our own site. Genius actually. Totally screwed up, but it is almost working. All I am saying is that the troll will only last for so long. They come and go in here. No one keeps going some where they arent like. I mean none of us think this detroit guy is in here to just have some amicable debates. He plays the innocent card, but we're not stupid man. He is on a mission (since 2014 according to him) to destroy Stafford. We won't let him do that.

Do what you do man, just was trying to keep things civil.

I get it that the guy might be trolling but the way you get rid of a troll is to ignore him. Everyone has a mute button to avoid reading and feeding trolls. What is more concerning is how Mike has attacked regular members of this board of late when they have a view of things that don’t completely fall in line with his doctrine. He doesn’t attack those members with psychopathic crazy shit like he did the Detroit fan but he does diminish their views by saying that they know nothing about football and other bs. Now he’s threatening to remove someone because they checked him for his disgusting ( hope your wife gets cancer, hope your kids get hit by a truck) psycho comments. Who actually thinks that way? If he has his way Rams Talk Forum is going down the toilet. There is NO excuse for his behavior. If he was on ANY other board he would have been banned already. This used to be a place where people could share their passion for being a Rams fan. Now you’re welcome to share only opinions that Mike agrees with. I have not posted for a month prior to today and I noticed that some of the more knowledgeable Rams fans are no longer posting regularly. Could be because it’s the off-season or very possible I’m not the only one tired of The Mike Schad show.

“ Now he’s threatening to remove someone because they checked him for his disgusting ( hope your wife gets cancer, hope your kids get hit by a truck) psycho comments. Who actually thinks that way?”

I personally don’t want to be apart of a fan forum where such is acceptable and stated justified by those who stated such. None of us should be. And to give the impression that he is doing us other posters a favor.............. I can speak for myself and have. I’m pissed that he has subjected us to his replies to this individual. Skyhook, DM, etc are correct in the right way to handle this Lions poster after making an initial reply to him.

[Bulldawg]

Nice read on Stafford integrating into the Rams offense

https://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-r ... h-new-team

Ideally, Matthew Stafford will be doing a whole lot of handing off to Cam Akers and Darrell Henderson Jr. this year, especially early in the season, while he works on connecting smoothly to our team's receivers.

The Rams' opening game being against the Bears, that should have the guy feeling pretty familiar with his first opponent, anyway... 8-) :geek:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

I hope we are able to have a balanced run game. Stafford has never had one before. The deep threat of Stafford/Jackson along with Kupp /Woods should give Akers some favorable fronts.

[NorCal RF]

“ Now he’s threatening to remove someone because they checked him for his disgusting ( hope your wife gets cancer, hope your kids get hit by a truck) psycho comments. Who actually thinks that way?”

I personally don’t want to be apart of a fan forum where such is acceptable and stated justified by those who stated such. None of us should be. And to give the impression that he is doing us other posters a favor.............. I can speak for myself and have. I’m pissed that he has subjected us to his replies to this individual. Skyhook, DM, etc are correct in the right way to handle this Lions poster after making an initial reply to him.

Who do you think wins the TE2 spot, Harris or Hopkins?

Harris.

[Commish]

Who indeed...?? ;)

ram pathos...

Uh huh, yeah. Way to pick thru everything and find a word or two that makes you appear to have made a point.

...

Matthew Stafford is 33 years old now, hmmmm?

Ages of other key veteran QB 'saviors' when they joined our team:

Joe Namath--34

Steve Bartkowski--33 (turned 34 in November 1986)

John Hadl--33

Bert Jones--30 (turned 31 in September '82)

Nick Foles--26

As opposed to referring to kicking the tires on some old vets - saviors LOL!

There's no point in quoting more words than are necessary to make one's point, is there?

All of those QBs were hailed a 'saviors' when acquired by our team, just as 33-year-old Matthew Stafford is at the moment.

Bert Jones, 30 years old at the time and a former NFL Most Valuable Player, was in fact featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated, along with Georgia Rosenbloom Frontiere, immediately after the Rams acquired him ("Madame Ram Gets Her Man").

Hopefully Stafford's career with the Good Guys will turn out to be more successful, however there's no guarantee of that--which remains my point... :P

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[toast49]

Uh huh, yeah. Way to pick thru everything and find a word or two that makes you appear to have made a point.

...

Matthew Stafford is 33 years old now, hmmmm?

Ages of other key veteran QB 'saviors' when they joined our team:

Joe Namath--34

Steve Bartkowski--33 (turned 34 in November 1986)

John Hadl--33

Bert Jones--30 (turned 31 in September '82)

Nick Foles--26

As opposed to referring to kicking the tires on some old vets - saviors LOL!

There's no point in quoting more words than are necessary to make one's point, is there?

All of those QBs were hailed a 'saviors' when acquired by our team, just as 33-year-old Matthew Stafford is at the moment.

Bert Jones, 30 years old at the time and a former NFL Most Valuable Player, was in fact featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated, along with Georgia Rosenbloom Frontiere, immediately after the Rams acquired him ("Madame Ram Gets Her Man").

Hopefully Stafford's career with the Good Guys will turn out to be more successful, however there's no guarantee of that--which remains my point... :P

ram pathos...

--The Commish

Ah Bert Jones, who can forget that season. Let's not forget Dan Pastorini. Then of course there is Dieter Brock Da da Da. Actually ol Dieter is one of the more successful Rams QB's as far as getting us all the way to the 85 NFC Championship game.