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Just like LAST YEAR:
Need for Center is HUGE
Need for LB is HUGE
....aaaaaaand we take a 150lb WR. What a friggin JOKE!
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Dick84 wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:27 pm
idahoramfan wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:25 pm Just like LAST YEAR:
Need for Center is HUGE
Need for LB is HUGE
....aaaaaaand we take a 150lb WR. What a friggin JOKE!
I'm just going to ask what evidence there is that a team with the number one defense in the NFL has a huge need for a position where they have all their players returning, plus an injured starter returning?

I get that people on here want an ILB... but the Rams showed last year... they know what they want to do on D.

Center? That's something I'm really interested in watching play out, not gonna lie.
Humphrey should have been our pick....JMO
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idahoramfan wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:25 pm Just like LAST YEAR:
Need for Center is HUGE
Need for LB is HUGE
....aaaaaaand we take a 150lb WR. What a friggin JOKE!
Im glad tbe rams didn't address center last year in the draft, they all sucked.
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Not sure what to make here. I can't get past the 150pounds. Giving Stafford a new toy. I know we will take big bodies later. Still really worried on DL.
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Cushenberry came on late.
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"By our standards, by some of our measurements, Tutu is one of the fastest, if not the fastest, player in the draft.” - Les Snead"

And? So?

Are you freakin Al Davis?????
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Mike Schad 1st Rd wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:42 pm
idahoramfan wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:40 pm "By our standards, by some of our measurements, Tutu is one of the fastest, if not the fastest, player in the draft.” - Les Snead"

And? So?

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Mike Schad 1st Rd wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:41 pm
Dick84 wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:37 pm Spectacular point.

And.. who's to say they don't sign Austin Reiter tomorrow?
Or Corbett goes to Center. We'll be fine at Center. Let's see what Sean has to say about WHY this pick.

Why do you think Corbett would be fine at Center? Or how about drafting a tackle to replace Whitworth who is 100 years old.

There’s lot more productive picks to use on players than the 5th guy in a WR rotation.
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"By our standards, by some of our measurements, Tutu is one of the fastest, if not the fastest, player in the draft.” - Les Snead"

And? So?

Are you freakin Al Davis?????
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idahoramfan wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:25 pm Just like LAST YEAR:
Need for Center is HUGE
Need for LB is HUGE
....aaaaaaand we take a 150lb WR. What a friggin JOKE!

So when exactly are they going to start paying ?? It’s been 4 years of successful winning seasons and successful draft selections especially in the later rounds.
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Truth wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:45 pm
Mike Schad 1st Rd wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:41 pm Or Corbett goes to Center. We'll be fine at Center. Let's see what Sean has to say about WHY this pick.

Why do you think Corbett would be fine at Center? Or how about drafting a tackle to replace Whitworth who is 100 years old.

There’s lot more productive picks to use on players than the 5th guy in a WR rotation.
I dont care much for having a rookie play center. Rams draft for years to come not just for the upcoming season. They have been doing that since 2017 and their drafts been some of the better ones in the nfl.
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eas-rams wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:50 pm
idahoramfan wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:25 pm Just like LAST YEAR:
Need for Center is HUGE
Need for LB is HUGE
....aaaaaaand we take a 150lb WR. What a friggin JOKE!

So when exactly are they going to start paying ?? It’s been 4 years of successful winning seasons and successful draft selections especially in the later rounds.

2023 when Whitworth/AD/Stafford/Kupp/Woods are all at the end of their careers and we stink, need contributors, and don’t have 1st rounders to get them.
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Truth wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:56 pm
eas-rams wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:50 pm
So when exactly are they going to start paying ?? It’s been 4 years of successful winning seasons and successful draft selections especially in the later rounds.

2023 when Whitworth/AD/Stafford/Kupp/Woods are all at the end of their careers and we stink, need contributors, and don’t have 1st rounders to get them.
Every year I hear how the rams will stink. They were supposed to stink after they lost TG and Cooks too. Oops
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Dick84 wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:27 pm
idahoramfan wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:25 pm Just like LAST YEAR:
Need for Center is HUGE
Need for LB is HUGE
....aaaaaaand we take a 150lb WR. What a friggin JOKE!
I'm just going to ask what evidence there is that a team with the number one defense in the NFL has a huge need for a position where they have all their players returning, plus an injured starter returning?

I get that people on here want an ILB... but the Rams showed last year... they know what they want to do on D.

Center? That's something I'm really interested in watching play out, not gonna lie.
We have huge needs at defense because we lost 4-5 starters to fa. I don't expect the back ups to fill the role and play as good as our starters were playing. This defense is not gonna be the same by next September. Who is gonna replace brokers, fox, JJ and Troy hill! ??
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brasilrams wrote: May 1st, 2021, 5:33 am
Dick84 wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:27 pm I'm just going to ask what evidence there is that a team with the number one defense in the NFL has a huge need for a position where they have all their players returning, plus an injured starter returning?

I get that people on here want an ILB... but the Rams showed last year... they know what they want to do on D.

Center? That's something I'm really interested in watching play out, not gonna lie.
We have huge needs at defense because we lost 4-5 starters to fa. I don't expect the back ups to fill the role and play as good as our starters were playing. This defense is not gonna be the same by next September. Who is gonna replace brokers, fox, JJ and Troy hill! ??
The year before it was, who will replace Fowler, Littleton and NRC? We seen how that worked out.
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I thought Humphrey should have been the pick at 57, but if they feel confident that they got C covered with the current cast, I will give them that benefit if the doubt, but if not OL, they have bigger needs on the DL (losing Brockers and Fox with no foreseeable replacements) and CB/S (with the loss of JJ and Hill and the impending free agency of DWill).

So what does McSnead do? They draft a WR/KR that will have trouble standing on a windy game well above where he was project to be taken). Then in Round 3, they trade back and select a ILB who can’t cover receivers. We already have players like that. Meanwhile, the depth on the DL is still weak.
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Cornell29 wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:32 pm
idahoramfan wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:25 pm Just like LAST YEAR:
Need for Center is HUGE
Need for LB is HUGE
....aaaaaaand we take a 150lb WR. What a friggin JOKE!
Im glad tbe rams didn't address center last year in the draft, they all sucked.
Let's leave the facts out of this please!
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idahoramfan wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:38 pm Cushenberry came on late.
So you're saying you would rather we had drafted Cushenberry instead of Akers or Jefferson??? Uh... No!
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The problem with the “there are plenty of FA options out there” mentality is that they don’t have the cap space to do that, which is why the draft is so important on filling needs on the OL/DL/ and CB/S.

Will we have the cap space to sign DWill? Can we go sign a LT if this is Whit’s last season?
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majik wrote: May 1st, 2021, 7:16 am The problem with the “there are plenty of FA options out there” mentality is that they don’t have the cap space to do that, which is why the draft is so important on filling needs on the OL/DL/ and CB/S.

Will we have the cap space to sign DWill? Can we go sign a LT if this is Whit’s last season?
Not disagreeing necessarily, but I do think our O-line looked better last year compared to the season before - and that's without Whitworth for a big part. Sure there was more max protections, and Goff also compensating thru rushed play...

But I still think the O-line is on the rise, not fall, and Stafford will help as well. With that said, I'd like to see some O-line drafting today no doubt...
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majik wrote: May 1st, 2021, 7:16 am The problem with the “there are plenty of FA options out there” mentality is that they don’t have the cap space to do that, which is why the draft is so important on filling needs on the OL/DL/ and CB/S.

Will we have the cap space to sign DWill? Can we go sign a LT if this is Whit’s last season?
McSnead has done well in the draft over the years.
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Dick84 wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:27 pm
idahoramfan wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:25 pm Just like LAST YEAR:
Need for Center is HUGE
Need for LB is HUGE
....aaaaaaand we take a 150lb WR. What a friggin JOKE!
I'm just going to ask what evidence there is that a team with the number one defense in the NFL has a huge need for a position where they have all their players returning, plus an injured starter returning?

I get that people on here want an ILB... but the Rams showed last year... they know what they want to do on D.

Center? That's something I'm really interested in watching play out, not gonna lie.
First off that #1 defense lost 4 of the 11 starters and one really strong rotational player so I hardly see how we don't need replacements before a wr this season will be 5th on the depth chart. Also we potentially lose ALL 4 ilbs to FA next off-season plus potentially DWill and we choose a wr.

This was a crime. There were a ton of really great players of need available at 57.
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malibu wrote: May 1st, 2021, 8:08 am
Dick84 wrote: April 30th, 2021, 6:27 pm I'm just going to ask what evidence there is that a team with the number one defense in the NFL has a huge need for a position where they have all their players returning, plus an injured starter returning?

I get that people on here want an ILB... but the Rams showed last year... they know what they want to do on D.

Center? That's something I'm really interested in watching play out, not gonna lie.
First off that #1 defense lost 4 of the 11 starters and one really strong rotational player so I hardly see how we don't need replacements before a wr this season will be 5th on the depth chart. Also we potentially lose ALL 4 ilbs to FA next off-season plus potentially DWill and we choose a wr.

This was a crime. There were a ton of really great players of need available at 57.
Before the rams had a number 1 defense, during the 2020 offseason there were the same complaints about the rams losing Littleton, Fowler and NRC.

Despite all the complaints the rams put up a number 1 defense. Did that earn any trust from you? Or will you just continue to not trust them every year despite the results?

They earned my trust last year. For all we know they have a solid plan on replacing JJ, Brockers and Hill. Just like they did when they lost Littleton, Fowler and NRC and everyone panicked. Many wonder what they would do at safety last year not knowing that the rams drafted a good player in Fuller
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Cornell29 wrote: May 1st, 2021, 8:17 am
malibu wrote: May 1st, 2021, 8:08 am First off that #1 defense lost 4 of the 11 starters and one really strong rotational player so I hardly see how we don't need replacements before a wr this season will be 5th on the depth chart. Also we potentially lose ALL 4 ilbs to FA next off-season plus potentially DWill and we choose a wr.

This was a crime. There were a ton of really great players of need available at 57.
Before the rams had a number 1 defense, during the 2020 offseason there were the same complaints about the rams losing Littleton, Fowler and NRC.

Despite all the complaints the rams put up a number 1 defense. Did that earn any trust from you? Or will you just continue to not trust them every year despite the results?

They earned my trust last year. For all we know they have a solid plan on replacing JJ, Brockers and Hill. Just like they did when they lost Littleton, Fowler and NRC and everyone panicked. Many wonder what they would do at safety last year not knowing that the rams drafted a good player in Fuller
Completely agree with every word, Cornell.
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Cornell29 wrote: May 1st, 2021, 6:16 am
brasilrams wrote: May 1st, 2021, 5:33 am We have huge needs at defense because we lost 4-5 starters to fa. I don't expect the back ups to fill the role and play as good as our starters were playing. This defense is not gonna be the same by next September. Who is gonna replace brokers, fox, JJ and Troy hill! ??
The year before it was, who will replace Fowler, Littleton and NRC? We seen how that worked out.
I think it was different . NRC was never a STUD . Fowler was replaced by Floyd . And I do admit I thought nobody would be able to replace littleton but it turned out ok without him . I just think this year's loss will be tougher to address . JJ / Brockers / Hill / Fox were all better ( I would say MUCH better ) than their current backups .
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brasilrams wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:27 pm
Cornell29 wrote: May 1st, 2021, 6:16 am The year before it was, who will replace Fowler, Littleton and NRC? We seen how that worked out.
I think it was different . NRC was never a STUD . Fowler was replaced by Floyd . And I do admit I thought nobody would be able to replace littleton but it turned out ok without him . I just think this year's loss will be tougher to address . JJ / Brockers / Hill / Fox were all better ( I would say MUCH better ) than their current backups .
We know that now, and good thing the rams knew that last year, but at the time he was rated one of the best slot corners in football. How soon we forget.

When the rams got Floyd many here felt he was a downgrade. Many said well he played next to Mack and he did little to nothing in chi.

Rams locate and develop stud guys that came out of no where. Littleton for example, Hill was another guy the rams developed. Ravens cut Darious Williams and the rams signed and developed him. He was another guy who came out of no where.

For all we know the rams might feel they already developed the next Littleton, Hill or DW. We have to wait and see.
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Dick84 wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:34 pm
brasilrams wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:27 pm I think it was different . NRC was never a STUD . Fowler was replaced by Floyd . And I do admit I thought nobody would be able to replace littleton but it turned out ok without him . I just think this year's loss will be tougher to address . JJ / Brockers / Hill / Fox were all better ( I would say MUCH better ) than their current backups .
People were very concerned about losing NRC.
The Rams have drafted 3 safeties in the last two years and are in good shape. Rochelle is an excellent prospect at corner.
We'll have to see how the draft picks work out replacing Brockers and Fox.

But.. the Rams addressed the losses, for the most part.
They addressed , to an extent , yes . I don't like our current safeties replacing JJ . Rapp certainly cannot do it , . Maybe Fuller , we will see . About hill , fox and brockers we are counting on a bunch of 4th , 5th and 7th rounders to replace them . Not gonna be easy , I mean these rookies will have big shoes to fill . I am honestly expecting a decrease in our defensive performance . We can pretty much forget about number 1 , imo . Specially with stailey gone ( damn they should have offered him a HUGE pay increase for him to stay on more year )
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Cornell29 wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:36 pm
brasilrams wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:27 pm I think it was different . NRC was never a STUD . Fowler was replaced by Floyd . And I do admit I thought nobody would be able to replace littleton but it turned out ok without him . I just think this year's loss will be tougher to address . JJ / Brockers / Hill / Fox were all better ( I would say MUCH better ) than their current backups .
We know that now, and good thing the rams knew that last year, but at the time he was rated one of the best slot corners in football. How soon we forget.

When the rams got Floyd many here felt he was a downgrade. Many said well he played next to Mack and he did little to nothing in chi.

Rams locate and develop stud guys that came out of no where. Littleton for example, Hill was another guy the rams developed. Ravens cut Darious Williams and the rams signed and developed him. He was another guy who came out of no where.
I can speak for me only . I was not very concerned about losing him . But I am concerned about losing 4 starters from our number 1 ranked defense and replacing them with 4th , 5th and 7th round rookies . I know rookies will fill in for vets here and there . But 4 at the same time ? that is basically half the defense right there .
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brasilrams wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:43 pm
Cornell29 wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:36 pm We know that now, and good thing the rams knew that last year, but at the time he was rated one of the best slot corners in football. How soon we forget.

When the rams got Floyd many here felt he was a downgrade. Many said well he played next to Mack and he did little to nothing in chi.

Rams locate and develop stud guys that came out of no where. Littleton for example, Hill was another guy the rams developed. Ravens cut Darious Williams and the rams signed and developed him. He was another guy who came out of no where.
I can speak for me only . I was not very concerned about losing him . But I am concerned about losing 4 starters from our number 1 ranked defense and replacing them with 4th , 5th and 7th round rookies . I know rookies will fill in for vets here and there . But 4 at the same time ? that is basically half the defense right there .
Brockers will be replaced by A Shawn. We have to see how that plays out. Rams drafted Burgess last year and we have to see how he plays out in the secondary. Maybe Rapp bounces back. Fox was a rotational guy, the rams might already have the next Foxx. They might have drafted the next Fox today.
Rams have shown the ability to develop guys and turn them into good players for the rams. Littleton, Hill.and DW to name a few. None were drafted with high picks, the rams grabbed and developed them. JJ was a 3rd rounder and they developed him into a stud. They could do it again this year.
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Dick84 wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:44 pm
brasilrams wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:41 pm They addressed , to an extent , yes . I don't like our current safeties replacing JJ . Rapp certainly cannot do it , . Maybe Fuller , we will see . About hill , fox and brockers we are counting on a bunch of 4th , 5th and 7th rounders to replace them . Not gonna be easy , I mean these rookies will have big shoes to fill . I am honestly expecting a decrease in our defensive performance . We can pretty much forget about number 1 , imo . Specially with stailey gone ( damn they should have offered him a HUGE pay increase for him to stay on more year )
With Hill.. you have the combination of Long and Rochelle replacing him.
Brockers.. you have the combination of Gaines, Robinson and B Brown replacing him.
I think Earnest Brown is a direct replacement for Fox. I don't expect him to produce like Fox as a rookie, of course... I mean roster spot.
My biggest concern for the Rams D is replacing the sacks lost with Fox/Brockers/Ebukam.

And... Staley isn't staying another year for more $$. That's just not happening.
My biggest concern is the D-line too . Hopefully long and rochelle can fill in for Hill and we won't miss a step. Also gotta Hope Fuller can be at least ALMOST as good as JJ ( again : big shoes to fill ) I seriously think Whoever lines next to ramsey will elevate their game . Kinda like guys playing next to AD that ends up playing much better .
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