Wolfie in trouble?

[Ramsfan08ny]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Not sure about the cut Wolford stuff at this point. If Perkins lights up camp and preseason then maybe he's in trouble?

However, the guy showed he was, at the very least, a serviceable spot starter from what we saw last year? I certainly wouldn't worry if he had to step in for a couple of games if Stafford was hurt.

Seems like some people want to be anti-Wolford just to annoy others? I don't get it, the guy showed flashes, he's apparently a hard worker and his team mates love him. Don't get the hate.

I agree with that. As for me, I was perfectly confident in Wolf as a back up and spot starter. He's a Ram, have his all when called on, and didn't hurt the team. What's NOT to like with him? Nobody ever suggested he was Warner replacing Green.

[Hangtime]

Wolfie rocks!

[Rams since '66]

Wolfie rocks!

I can't find the video clip right now, but I'm sure when Joe Biden leaned into the mike and whispered, it was "Wolfie Rocks".

[toast49]

Wolford rocking that 64.0 QB rating. 6.1 avg per attempt, terrible. 58.0 Completion percentage, not good. Hopefully he has improved or someone else steps up at that important backup QB position because the Rams will probably carry only two QB's on the active roster.

[sanbagger]

I have been saying it since last year...I see Perkins taking over the back-up QB roll this year.

[NorCal RF]

Not sure about the cut Wolford stuff at this point. If Perkins lights up camp and preseason then maybe he's in trouble?

However, the guy showed he was, at the very least, a serviceable spot starter from what we saw last year? I certainly wouldn't worry if he had to step in for a couple of games if Stafford was hurt.

Seems like some people want to be anti-Wolford just to annoy others? I don't get it, the guy showed flashes, he's apparently a hard worker and his team mates love him. Don't get the hate.

This^

[NorCal RF]

Not sure how that's relevant to Stafford/Wolford. You have a bad case of GDS.

No derangement at all. Simply one of the first with the knowledge that Goff NEEDED to go. Confirmed by McVay.

No it’s a bit something is wrong how you just can’t move on from the subject.

[NorCal RF]

How about you show us in detail the better results we got from Wolford vs Goff?

vs the Cards in week 17 he lead us to 3 FG drives all day ... at Home..... the Defense had a TD and a safety, scored just as much as the offense and we won 18-7... an outcome still in doubt halfway thru the 4th quarter.... Wolford threw a pick on the 1st possession that lead to the Cards early 7-0 lead. The D stoned them the rest of the game and is the reason we won....imo

3 weeks earlier, against the same team AT Arizona, the Rams were also down 7-0 in the 1st quarter but rallied in the 2nd Q for 2 TD's and never trailed again.. Goff was 27-37 for 351 yards and a TD plus had a 1 yard TD run. The Offense racked up 483 yards, 30 1st downs and 39 minutes in TOP. with ZERO TO's. Defense scored 7 points and the Rams won 38-28 after the Cards Garbage time TD with 2 minutes left in a comfortable road win.

And the playoff game was scoreless when Wolford went down although the Rams wer on the Hags 18 and ended up getting a FG. He was 3-6 for 29 yards, was sacked once and ran 1 time for 2 yards, on the play he got hurt...

We went on to outscore them the rest of the game 27-20 and win another playoff game with Goff in there .... and again ... no TO's...

Fact is you have no case for this other then you hated Goff period.

OK. So to YOU McVay is an Idiot I guess. You dont DESERVE McVay.

McVay an idiot no.

Deserve McVay? Seriously what does that mean? Again sorry weird ass comment.

[Rampager66]

No I don't see the difference because I'm not ready to annoint Stafford as our only chance.... sight unseen, in the Rams scheme.
Goff's 4 playoffs wins kinda trump Staffords 0-3 career playoff record.
I do know we got to the SB and were still in the game halfway thru the 4th Q down 6-3, with JG16 and the playoffs 3 of 4 years after 12 years of hell....

Shows how little you know.

Goff was never as good as Stafford through the entirety of their careers. One guy played for a perennially SHIT Organization, the other guy played on a team with an ELITE Head Coach, the BEST Offensive player in Football at the time who made much of Goff's success possible (Gurley) and an All-Time great Defensive player. The fact that we are still ringless in the McVay/Donald era is considerably Goff's FAULT.

Also, Rams NEVER trailed 6-3 in the 4th Quarter of the Super Bowl. I would expect you to know the details of your teams biggest game in 20 years. Bad job outta you.

And, Rams SHOULD HAVE been up 7-3 in 4th Quarter of said game were it not for Jared's SLOW processing speed and wobbly pass to Cooks in 3rd Quarter that should have been an easy TD.

Speaking of knowing little, you prove it every time you try and blame things on one player in a team sport because you let your feelings over ride your thinking.... typically bad job outta you...

As for the SB. so it was 3-3 halfway thru the 4th quarter, vs Tom Brady and the Pats, you obviously got my point but continue to not hold other QB's to the same standards as you do Goff..
Why was it not Brady's fault the Pats only had 3 points halfway thru the 4th quarter... Let me guess... the Rams D. Not the same case for us... according to you It's all on Goff... who just made the Pats D look good right?.... hmmm

And again, you were not in the huddle, on the sidelines or on the field and you have no way of knowing who did or didn't do their jobs... that hindered the success of any play... You just blame Goff. There was not one blown assignment, dropped pass, missed block etc ... everyone was perfect but Goff every play because you don't like him... that's the attitude you portray here.....

[Rampager66]

Yes you are wrong, you said Wolford righted the ship. I showed you that he did not and asked you for details and you respond with 2 games Wolford had no involvement in.
We used the Cards games because they each started once and played the full game against them. And both games meant something to both teams.... Goffs was on the road, Wolford at Home so advantage #9 there.... How is that not a good comparison? You wouldn't shut up about it if the details were reversed and it would suddenly matter then I'll bet...
As for your drama take on the 2 picks you claim are the worst in league history... according to who??? Show me the person that thinks that... besides someone who acts like he has a personal vendetta and is deflecting because they can't make a legitimate argument for Wolford after making a false claim about him...
To hear you tell it, Goff is the only Ram that made costly plays last year and that's flat out BS. One play did not cost us those games or any game. Opportunities are squandered all over the field every Sunday by both teams and the good teams find a way to win. You chose to isolate the ones allegedly made by those you dislike. And I say allegedly because you have no idea if everyone in on those plays did their jobs, you just pretend you do. for example... you don't know for a fact that the receivers routes were precise, blocking and execution was excellent by all 11 members on the field at the time. You blame the QB because you dislike him....

Nothing's ever nobody's fault in the History of the world.

It's never just 1 persons that you dislikes fault, I can tell you that.

[Ants]

No one tell Safety Blitz... But it looks like we could have some serious competition for the QB BACK UP spots. Apparently Perkins is turning some heads.




LA Rams: Backup QB Bryce Perkins will shine in preseason games

https://ramblinfan.com/2021/07/10/la-ra ... son-games/

I'm glad to read Perkins is turning some heads. I've been cautiously hopeful that he would develop into a good dual-threat QB option. 8-)

[Rampager66]

There you go reading things into it again. No one is saying they aren't rooting for Wolford. We're just not so sure he is the answer at back-up.... that is all...

May the best man win. If Sean McVay promotes Bryce Perkins to backup I'll be overjoyed. That would mean he took a significant step forward in leapfrogging Wolf. Which is good news for the Rams. And give me a break, there are people HERE who rooted against Wolf even in the Arizona game.

Nobody rooted against Wolford that I recall. Some didn't like him as the starter but NOBODY came out and flat out said they wanted us to lose so he wouldn't get to be the QB any more..... more of you being you here...

[Hacksaw]

It takes a team to win or lose. The QB is only one player. He is however the most important player since he touches and distributes the ball on every offensive play. His performance and decisions make or break an offense.
IMO, both Goff and Brady were hamstrung in that SB by solid defenses. McVay got schooled by BB in that game which I think made the difference.

Whether Wolford was better than a healthy Goff is obviously debatable, but I see no evidence of that. Other than being twitchier and a quicker runner, Wolford's numbers don't measure up.

Goff is a good QB. Goff also had his warts and it did feel like the Rams / Goff had peaked in the system. I'm glad the team made the change.

I've always been a Stafford fan. I have wished the Rams could get a QB like him. Now we get to see the real deal and I have a good feeling that we won't ever be saying I miss Jared Goff and / or John Wolford.

[Bulldawg]

We shouldn’t even be talking about Goff in this thread. The question is do we think Wolf is good enough to be a back-up QB for the Rams...let alone the NFL. For 1 game maybe because our defense is so good. I would personally not be a fan if he had to play 4 games or more. (I guess that would be true for almost any backup QB though.)

I personally don’t see it and it would not surprise me if we upgraded the position. He does understand the offense which gives him an advantage. I know another roll for backup QB is helping the starter QB prepare for upcoming game. Watching film, making suggestions, spotting tendencies. I don’t know anything about this part of Wolf’s game. I am just not impressed when I watch him throw or look at his stats. Just my opinion. Good news is we will be able to see him during preseason and have time to do more analysis. :-)

[Yorkshire Ram]

We shouldn’t even be talking about Goff in this thread. The question is do we think Wolf is good enough to be a back-up QB for the Rams...let alone the NFL. For 1 game maybe because our defense is so good. I would personally not be a fan if he had to play 4 games or more. (I guess that would be true for almost any backup QB though.)

I personally don’t see it and it would not surprise me if we upgraded the position. He does understand the offense which gives him an advantage. I know another roll for backup QB is helping the starter QB prepare for upcoming game. Watching film, making suggestions, spotting tendencies. I don’t know anything about this part of Wolf’s game. I am just not impressed when I watch him throw or look at his stats. Just my opinion. Good news is we will be able to see him during preseason and have time to do more analysis. :-)

With respect, you weren't with us last season. Wolford will always (rightly or strongly) be linked with Goff's demise with the Rams. Whether that be right or wrong. That's the reason Goff always comes up in Wolford threads.

From my perspective, he's not a world beater, he's not better than prime Goff, but he's got a bit of something. After his first game McVay basically said he opened up the play book and showed he could read defenses. Absolutely damning words for Goff and the beginning of the end.

As such, those that felt Goff still had something to offer, feel that Wolford is somehow responsible for his demise. On the flip side, those that were done with Goff are appreciative of what Wolford was able to do.

This is why John Wolford is a hugely divisive and always entertaining topic.

[sanbagger]

We shouldn’t even be talking about Goff in this thread. The question is do we think Wolf is good enough to be a back-up QB for the Rams...let alone the NFL. For 1 game maybe because our defense is so good. I would personally not be a fan if he had to play 4 games or more. (I guess that would be true for almost any backup QB though.)

I personally don’t see it and it would not surprise me if we upgraded the position. He does understand the offense which gives him an advantage. I know another roll for backup QB is helping the starter QB prepare for upcoming game. Watching film, making suggestions, spotting tendencies. I don’t know anything about this part of Wolf’s game. I am just not impressed when I watch him throw or look at his stats. Just my opinion. Good news is we will be able to see him during preseason and have time to do more analysis. :-)

With respect, you weren't with us last season.

Well...that WAS disrespectful.....and I completely agree with Bulldawg

[sanbagger]

Well...that WAS disrespectful.....and I completely agree with Bulldawg

SB, York wasn’t trying to be disrespectful buddy. He was pointing out that BD just became a Rams fan because he follows Staff, which BD has pointed out in here a number of times in regards of himself.

When is York ever out of line?. BD made some great points though, but the truth is, he wasn’t with us last season. That’s all York was stating I believe.

So what? Just because he's a new Ram fan does that make his points less meaningful? Does that mean he didn't follow football until the day he became Ram fan?

We are all entitled to our opinion and express them in this forum and to dismiss a guy because "he wasn't with us last season" is condescending and disrespectful....and starting it out "with respect" doesn't change a thing.

I'm not saying York is a bad guy I'm just saying he disregarded Bulldawgs post and that was wrong.

[Rampager66]

Speaking of knowing little, you prove it every time you try and blame things on one player in a team sport because you let your feelings over ride your thinking.... typically bad job outta you...

As for the SB. so it was 3-3 halfway thru the 4th quarter, vs Tom Brady and the Pats, you obviously got my point but continue to not hold other QB's to the same standards as you do Goff..
Why was it not Brady's fault the Pats only had 3 points halfway thru the 4th quarter... Let me guess... the Rams D. Not the same case for us... according to you It's all on Goff... who just made the Pats D look good right?.... hmmm

And again, you were not in the huddle, on the sidelines or on the field and you have no way of knowing who did or didn't do their jobs... that hindered the success of any play... You just blame Goff. There was not one blown assignment, dropped pass, missed block etc ... everyone was perfect but Goff every play because you don't like him... that's the attitude you portray here.....

Ya know, I never looked at it that way. You're totally right. I wonder though, with all you said being true, why McVay and Snead moved Heaven and Earth to trade a Franchise Quarterback who they JUST SIGNED to an Astronomical Extension??? Weird......

Weird.... agreed.
Lets see, They could have waited a year for that extension or Mc Vay could have stated then that he wanted to go in a different direction, maybe even draft his own guy. Instead he endorsed the extension and then suddenly turn on a dime on him. I wonder what went on behind the scenes that made McVay start dumping on him.
And Why aren't Coach and GM being held accountable for Goffs "terrible contract extension" but instead being lauded for further crippling the team's future by overpaying to get out of it?
Meanwhile they've done nothing about their suspect O-line for what 3 years now. One anchored by a fading LT pushing 40. At least Stafford will have another excuse if it goes south.
McVay and Snead better hope it doesn't for IMO, what they gave up, the long term effect and the reach they made on this deal to bring in a QB with a shit ton of garbage time stats and a resume of leading his team to defeat 60% of the time.

[Rampager66]

It's never just 1 persons that you dislikes fault, I can tell you that.

Well hey guys, it’s good to know that ‘it’s never Staffords fault’…

[Yorkshire Ram]

So what? Just because he's a new Ram fan does that make his points less meaningful? Does that mean he didn't follow football until the day he became Ram fan?

We are all entitled to our opinion and express them in this forum and to dismiss a guy because "he wasn't with us last season" is condescending and disrespectful....and starting it out "with respect" doesn't change a thing.

I'm not saying York is a bad guy I'm just saying he disregarded Bulldawgs post and that was wrong.

I read it differently. I believe he was just saying that because BD didn’t see Wolford last season, he didn’t realize the in depth chats we have had ( and continue to have) on here and how Wolford performed overall. I just have never seen York be condescending/disregard or disrespectful to another poster is all I’m saying my friend. I think this one could easily be seen the way you saw it, but knowing Yorks history… it doesn’t add up. Maybe lost in email translation?. Both BD and York as solid respectful posters.

Hey, I could be wrong. Maybe York has had enough of the Wolford talk...

You stateside now?

Spot on DM, I meant it with total respect, love Bulldawg's posts, great addition to the group. Just pointing out what he may have missed viewing from afar.

Reiterates how touchy the Wolford situation makes people?

[Commish]

Nobody rooted against Wolford that I recall. Some didn't like him as the starter but NOBODY came out and flat out said they wanted us to lose so he wouldn't get to be the QB any more..... more of you being you here...

Well, of course plenty of Cardinals fans were rooting against John Wolford during that game, however it would have made *zero* sense for any fan of our team to do so.

If anyone in this forum actually cheered for Wolford to perform poorly, I'd certainly wish to see it quoted. (Admittedly, some Rams fans might have been concerned that the guy wouldn't play very well, however that's hardly *hoping* for such an outcome.)

When the Good Guys' starting QB was sidelined by a broken thumb on his throwing hand, why wouldn't every fan of theirs have rallied behind the backup QB in a critical season finale?

To my recollection, in this forum we *all* did, meaning totally 100% of us who posted about the issue... 8-) :geek:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Rampager66]

Nobody rooted against Wolford that I recall. Some didn't like him as the starter but NOBODY came out and flat out said they wanted us to lose so he wouldn't get to be the QB any more..... more of you being you here...

Well, of course plenty of Cardinals fans were rooting against John Wolford during that game, however it would have made *zero* sense for any fan of our team to do so.

If anyone in this forum actually cheered for Wolford to perform poorly, I'd certainly wish to see it quoted. (Admittedly, some Rams fans might have been concerned that the guy wouldn't play very well, however that's hardly *hoping* for such an outcome.)

When the Good Guys' starting QB was sidelined by a broken thumb on his throwing hand, why wouldn't every fan of theirs have rallied behind the backup QB in a critical season finale?

To my recollection, in this forum we *all* did, meaning totally 100% of us who posted about the issue... 8-) :geek:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

Yessir....

[Rampager66]

Weird.... agreed.
Lets see, They could have waited a year for that extension or Mc Vay could have stated then that he wanted to go in a different direction, maybe even draft his own guy. Instead he endorsed the extension and then suddenly turn on a dime on him. I wonder what went on behind the scenes that made McVay start dumping on him.
And Why aren't Coach and GM being held accountable for Goffs "terrible contract extension" but instead being lauded for further crippling the team's future by overpaying to get out of it?
Meanwhile they've done nothing about their suspect O-line for what 3 years now. One anchored by a fading LT pushing 40. At least Stafford will have another excuse if it goes south.
McVay and Snead better hope it doesn't for IMO, what they gave up, the long term effect and the reach they made on this deal to bring in a QB with a shit ton of garbage time stats and a resume of leading his team to defeat 60% of the time.

Well I can agree with THAT, that if Stafford's a failure they and we are all fucked. Bringing up the endorsement of the extension isnt pertinent to THIS discussion however. That's a separate "thread" altogether, why did McSnead extend Goff only to trade him shortly after. As far as the extension goes McVay totally to blame, but as far as him PIVOTING and moving on even with the Contract I applaud McSnead for that and that's what I was saying speaks volumes in regards to how they felt about Goff. Your point was "how do you know Goff was at fault on those INT's, team game." And my answer was McSnead's trading of JG even with the ONEROUS Cap Hit AND trade compensation illustrates pretty clearly (to me anyway) that they felt, contrary to your stance, that it was indeed Goff's "fault."

If it goes south Stafford won't be the only failure. I don't like putting it on one player/person, you should know that by now.
I have no problem with how they felt about Goff, that's their job and choice. To them and some supporters its the right choice and why doesn't matter. I don't agree with that. Fair enough, it's done now anyways and I will respect your opinion on this and as always we'll hope for the best....

[Rams since '66]

Maybe Goff got complacent and regressed
Maybe losing Olsen, Taylor and Lafleur hurt Goff's development
Maybe Goff didn't connect with O'Connell and Robinson
Maybe Goff kept asking McVay questions on Wednesday
Either way we have Stafford now

[Rams since '66]

There are 32 NFL teams. There aren't 32 NFL caliber quarterbacks. No NFL starting caliber QB is coming to the Rams as a backup on the cheap, even if we have the hands down most awesome uniforms and logo. For a cap strapped team, we won't do better than a backup QB who comes cheap, knows the offense and has the confidence of the team and the HC.
stafford + WOLFIE = 2021 Superbowl season

[Rampager66]

If it goes south Stafford won't be the only failure. I don't like putting it on one player/person, you should know that by now.
I have no problem with how they felt about Goff, that's their job and choice. To them and some supporters its the right choice and why doesn't matter. I don't agree with that. Fair enough, it's done now anyways and I will respect your opinion on this and as always we'll hope for the best....

I'm with you totally on that RamPager (no sarcasm like the last time LOL) I had remarked earlier that its possible we can get knocked out early or miss the Playoffs altogether and it can be either ZERO fault of Stafford, ALL the fault of Stafford, or anything in between based on our HONEST diagnosis. Conversely, we can win the Super Bowl and it can be due to the greatness of Stafford or we carried his ass along somewhat. It's all open. I just prefer sincerity from posters not "tail wag the dog" analysis where the final result is gospel REGARDLESS of circumstances. Such as perseverating on Wolford's 9 points against Arizona when we ALL KNOW (if we're being honest) that Cam's Fumble on the 1, Back to back False Starts from the 1, and Everett dropping a beautifully thrown Touchdown pass from Wolford GREATLY contributed to that DECEIVING point tally.

The thing is, the what ifs you want to use to excuse one, you won't even consider for the other..... :o

ie the SB... Gurley led the team with 34 measely rushing yards but you never gave consideration to the lack of the Rams running game in your opinion that Goff alone lost the SB.....

[Bulldawg]

With respect, you weren't with us last season. Wolford will always (rightly or strongly) be linked with Goff's demise with the Rams. Whether that be right or wrong. That's the reason Goff always comes up in Wolford threads.

From my perspective, he's not a world beater, he's not better than prime Goff, but he's got a bit of something. After his first game McVay basically said he opened up the play book and showed he could read defenses. Absolutely damning words for Goff and the beginning of the end.

As such, those that felt Goff still had something to offer, feel that Wolford is somehow responsible for his demise. On the flip side, those that were done with Goff are appreciative of what Wolford was able to do.

This is why John Wolford is a hugely divisive and always entertaining topic.

Nailed it as usual Yorkie...

There are a few teams in the league that I would consider having good backups. As an example, last year when Brees went down. QBs off the top of my head that I would be more comfortable with them as backups...(Trey Lance and Justin Fields don't count since they are the heir apparent.) Bridgewater, Marcus Mariota, Trubisky, Rudolph, Jacob Eason...etc.

[Bulldawg]

Nailed it as usual Yorkie...

There are a few teams in the league that I would consider having good backups. As an example, last year when Brees went down. QBs off the top of my head that I would be more comfortable with them as backups...(Trey Lance and Justin Fields don't count since they are the heir apparent.) Bridgewater, Marcus Mariota, Trubisky, Rudolph, Jacob Eason...etc.

I just did a quick Google...this list has Wolford as #21 on the list as backups. Not too bad. I figured he would be 27-28 range.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/rank ... -top-five/

[Rampager66]

The 21st ranking IMO is iffy at best. His sample size is small. He could rank higher or lower.
If he's the guy, he's the guy and I'll get behind him the second he's on the roster like with everyone else.
Don't always like them.... but AFAIC there's no face once the gear goes on. Just a Ram.

[Bulldawg]

The 21st ranking IMO is iffy at best. His sample size is small. He could rank higher or lower.
If he's the guy, he's the guy and I'll get behind him the second he's on the roster like with everyone else.
Don't always like them.... but AFAIC there's no face once the gear goes on. Just a Ram.

I completely agree. I have nothing against him at all. I just don't think undrafted QBs are destined to last long in the NFL. I don't have any sentiment attached to him from last year so I look at him with a different set of eyes. I pull for all 90 players, not just the 53. I hope they all make a team somewhere.

[Yorkshire Ram]

The 21st ranking IMO is iffy at best. His sample size is small. He could rank higher or lower.
If he's the guy, he's the guy and I'll get behind him the second he's on the roster like with everyone else.
Don't always like them.... but AFAIC there's no face once the gear goes on. Just a Ram.

I completely agree. I have nothing against him at all. I just don't think undrafted QBs are destined to last long in the NFL. I don't have any sentiment attached to him from last year so I look at him with a different set of eyes. I pull for all 90 players, not just the 53. I hope they all make a team somewhere.

Just to clarify, I don't have any sentiment attached to Wolford either. Also would like to clarify further that I meant absolutely no disrespect to you in my earlier post. I was purely meaning you weren't around last year when the Goff/Wolford debate was first raging!

You're a great addition to the forum and provide some really insightful and positive input. I hope you didn't take the offence that others did, I must choose my words more carefully!