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Lot's of Rams have departed but other than JJ not one is an impact player

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Brockers was close to an impact player and he certainly was a very good player for the Rams but his replacements are already on the roster and you can get DT's late in the draft. JJ was gone due to contract and previously drafted cheaper replacements. All the other guys were already expected to leave and anyone worrying about Josh Reynolds. T Hill or any of the other guys -- quit worrying we already drafted their replacements over the last few drafts. The LB's who left needed upgrades anyway-I won't miss any of them and it's time to upgrade that entire LB corps. We now have signed a deep speed guy and can just draft BPA with no real pressing needs. If Blythe goes elsewhere Center becomes a bigger priority but hey I already wanted him replaced anyway......
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Rammo wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 8:16 am Brockers was close to an impact player and he certainly was a very good player for the Rams but his replacements are already on the roster and you can get DT's late in the draft. JJ was gone due to contract and previously drafted cheaper replacements. All the other guys were already expected to leave and anyone worrying about Josh Reynolds. T Hill or any of the other guys -- quit worrying we already drafted their replacements over the last few drafts. The LB's who left needed upgrades anyway-I won't miss any of them and it's time to upgrade that entire LB corps. We now have signed a deep speed guy and can just draft BPA with no real pressing needs. If Blythe goes elsewhere Center becomes a bigger priority but hey I already wanted him replaced anyway......
impact no but solid role players that you need on a team to be successful. we all saw what happened to this defense when AD wasn't 100%.
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Agree, but still concerned about the loss of John Johnson. Not sold on Rapp. He was very spotty in his rookie year especially where
defensive intelligence and instincts were required. His second year he has shown to be a big hitter but overall his field generalship ala JJ has not emerged.

As a signal caller and defensive QB Troy Reeder seems to have grown with the team. I'm hoping that he plays more and is allowed
a shot as on field defensive coordinator.
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Rapp will have to fight it out with Fuller and Burgess-we have three good young guys to fill the safety position.
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I agree with the notion that we didn’t lose many high impact players but yes we did lose many solid pieces which you do indeed need to win games in the NFL. THAT SAID, I personally am going to give McVay and company the benefit of the doubt with their replacements. They’ve proven to me in the last 4 years to be able to draft players well even in the late rounds and develop them to replace the high priced “stars” that sign elsewhere.
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Add Reynolds to the list. I also see Fuller, not Rapp in that S spot but Burgess is also coming on strong. Rapp is solid too. We also have a young, very quick WR Trishton Jackson on the practice squad and we will sign several more DJax type players at all the depth positions up until the draft. Sad to see 9 gone and it will likely be the dirty dozen before it’s over but if Blythe goes there would have to be a splash move to come at C.
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IMHO we need to fit guys into the needed roles better this year. DJax is a better compliment to Kupp & woods than Josh R was. Brockers run stuffing was damn good but his pass rush stats were no big impact and between Gaines, A'Shawn and SJD plus some young practice squad guys maybe we can get more pass rush from the middle? The LB corps is where I hope we can uncover a draft gem or two like we did in our DB picks the last few years. Also maybe we'll hit on a young WR to be the next vertical threat to replace DJ when he's injured game 5 this year lol-but we have the biggest WR playmaker in the NFL over the last whatever ten years or so on our roster now.....he's no Tyreek Hill but I'm thinking he at least scares the defense enough to create some room underneath for Kupp & Woods and Higbee. imagine if we start throwing to the RB crew---fireworks baby fireworks!!
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99rams wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 8:45 am Add Reynolds to the list. I also see Fuller, not Rapp in that S spot but Burgess is also coming on strong. Rapp is solid too. We also have a young, very quick WR Trishton Jackson on the practice squad and we will sign several more DJax type players at all the depth positions up until the draft. Sad to see 9 gone and it will likely be the dirty dozen before it’s over but if Blythe goes there would have to be a splash move to come at C.
Why not Rapp?. Rapp rookie year was solid when he replaced JJ. Rapp sophomore year was mediocre when he played the opposite Safety spot.
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Rapp played well in 2019 and looked like a draft steal-the other two guys same last year-draft steals both Burgess and Fuller-we are set at DB just need to draft LB's and get a gem/steal or two this year
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And Center as well....
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Cornell29 wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 8:56 am
99rams wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 8:45 am Add Reynolds to the list. I also see Fuller, not Rapp in that S spot but Burgess is also coming on strong. Rapp is solid too. We also have a young, very quick WR Trishton Jackson on the practice squad and we will sign several more DJax type players at all the depth positions up until the draft. Sad to see 9 gone and it will likely be the dirty dozen before it’s over but if Blythe goes there would have to be a splash move to come at C.
Why not Rapp?. Rapp rookie year was solid when he replaced JJ. Rapp sophomore year was mediocre when he played the opposite Safety spot.
Why not? His rookie year was not solid.

I can still see our old mighty mite, Tavon Austin, whizzing by the whole secondary on a blown assignment/call by Rapp against
the Cowboys in 2019 when we still had a chance to make the playoffs. The secondary with Rapp as replacement for JJ was atrocious.

The Rams were blown out 44-21. It wasnt even that close. Of course, Rapp wasnt the whole reason that they lost but, not having JJ out there had the Cowboys throwing the ball deep, short , or anywhere they wanted.

I wouldnt trust him with the defense. He seems to have become a good up-to-the line run stopping safety
but needs more work in pass defense.
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butch58 wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 10:12 am
Cornell29 wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 8:56 am Why not Rapp?. Rapp rookie year was solid when he replaced JJ. Rapp sophomore year was mediocre when he played the opposite Safety spot.
Why not? His rookie year was not solid.

I can still see our old mighty mite, Tavon Austin, whizzing by the whole secondary on a blown assignment/call by Rapp against
the Cowboys in 2019 when we still had a chance to make the playoffs. The secondary with Rapp as replacement for JJ was atrocious.

The Rams were blown out 44-21. It wasnt even that close. Of course, Rapp wasnt the whole reason that they lost but, not having JJ out there had the Cowboys throwing the ball deep, short , or anywhere they wanted.

I wouldnt trust him with the defense. He seems to have become a good up-to-the line run stopping safety
but needs more work in pass defense.
He wasn't solid his rookie year? Could have fooled me




The start to his rookie campaign was a slow one, but Taylor Rapp is picking up steam as of late — his 82.5 overall grade since Week 7 is the fifth best among all qualifying safeties. In that timespan, Rapp has produced the third most defensive stops (20), fifth most combined pass breakups and interceptions (five) and has allowed just a 65.2 passer rating (seventh). Rapp has produced his best plays for the Rams when playing free safety — since Week 7, Rapp has played more snaps at that alignment then he had during the first six weeks and has had an 84.3 grade in that role, ranking behind only Tyrann Mathieu and Minkah Fitzpatrick.
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ocram23 wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 8:26 am
Rammo wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 8:16 am Brockers was close to an impact player and he certainly was a very good player for the Rams but his replacements are already on the roster and you can get DT's late in the draft. JJ was gone due to contract and previously drafted cheaper replacements. All the other guys were already expected to leave and anyone worrying about Josh Reynolds. T Hill or any of the other guys -- quit worrying we already drafted their replacements over the last few drafts. The LB's who left needed upgrades anyway-I won't miss any of them and it's time to upgrade that entire LB corps. We now have signed a deep speed guy and can just draft BPA with no real pressing needs. If Blythe goes elsewhere Center becomes a bigger priority but hey I already wanted him replaced anyway......
impact no but solid role players that you need on a team to be successful. we all saw what happened to this defense when AD wasn't 100%.
This^

Some of you are kidding yourselves if you think JJ and Brockers won’t be sorely missed.
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NorCal RF wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 10:28 am
ocram23 wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 8:26 am impact no but solid role players that you need on a team to be successful. we all saw what happened to this defense when AD wasn't 100%.
This^

Some of you are kidding yourselves if you think JJ and Brockers won’t be sorely missed.
Brockers was solid but overpaid and replaceable.
JJ will be tough, but the rams past bad contracts screwed it up, with the said the rams do have some young safety options. It was this FO that drafted JJ and Fuller, so I trust their judgment with that position.
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Cornell29 wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 10:18 am
butch58 wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 10:12 am Why not? His rookie year was not solid.

I can still see our old mighty mite, Tavon Austin, whizzing by the whole secondary on a blown assignment/call by Rapp against
the Cowboys in 2019 when we still had a chance to make the playoffs. The secondary with Rapp as replacement for JJ was atrocious.

The Rams were blown out 44-21. It wasnt even that close. Of course, Rapp wasnt the whole reason that they lost but, not having JJ out there had the Cowboys throwing the ball deep, short , or anywhere they wanted.

I wouldnt trust him with the defense. He seems to have become a good up-to-the line run stopping safety
but needs more work in pass defense.
He wasn't solid his rookie year? Could have fooled me




The start to his rookie campaign was a slow one, but Taylor Rapp is picking up steam as of late — his 82.5 overall grade since Week 7 is the fifth best among all qualifying safeties. In that timespan, Rapp has produced the third most defensive stops (20), fifth most combined pass breakups and interceptions (five) and has allowed just a 65.2 passer rating (seventh). Rapp has produced his best plays for the Rams when playing free safety — since Week 7, Rapp has played more snaps at that alignment then he had during the first six weeks and has had an 84.3 grade in that role, ranking behind only Tyrann Mathieu and Minkah Fitzpatrick.
Cornell,

Looks like you've got numbers to back you up. Good job. And that PFF headline could have been done ...when during his rookie season?

Also, in his rookie season:

"In Week 16 against the San Francisco 49ers on Saturday Night Football, Rapp recorded 5 tackles during the 34–31 loss. With 58 seconds left in the game on third and 16, Rapp and cornerback Jalen Ramsey made an error in coverage which resulted in a 46 yard completion to wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders, eventually leading to a game winning field goal which knocked the Rams out of playoff contention."("www.espn.com. Associated Press. December 21, 2019)

Look, I hope the kid can step in for JJ. That means that the Rams will be solid defensively. I hope that he has a great career
with the Rams and can contribute as much as JJ has. I do know one thing, he can sure knock the snot out of ball carriers.
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Mike Schad 1st Rd wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 10:48 am
NorCal RF wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 10:28 am This^

Some of you are kidding yourselves if you think JJ and Brockers won’t be sorely missed.
Heard this last year with Littleton and Fowler. Dont know what's the big deal or unexpected, we could only afford one of JJ or Floyd we chose Floyd. Brockers was asked to restructure, declined to, we said see ya. Both guys replaceable just as Littleton and Fowler were. And Floyd is better than Fowler even. JJ not an Elite Safety, no fault of his own, but we're paying a Cornerback Top 1 Corner money and rightly so.
Mike it’s a simple they are going to be missed on the field in the opinion of a few of us. We get the $$$ aspect of the decisions.
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Mike Schad 1st Rd wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 11:11 am
NorCal RF wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 11:02 am Mike it’s a simple they are going to be missed on the field in the opinion of a few of us. We get the $$$ aspect of the decisions.
Yeah, they'll be missed (just like Littleton and Fowler were)
Some dont have trust in the FO like we do when it comes to finding solid replacements. No matter how many times they pull it off. Hopefully this year will get more on board.
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Mike Schad 1st Rd wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 10:48 am
NorCal RF wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 10:28 am This^

Some of you are kidding yourselves if you think JJ and Brockers won’t be sorely missed.
Heard this last year with Littleton and Fowler. Dont know what's the big deal or unexpected, we could only afford one of JJ or Floyd we chose Floyd. Brockers was asked to restructure, declined to, we said see ya. Both guys replaceable just as Littleton and Fowler were. And Floyd is better than Fowler even. JJ not an Elite Safety, no fault of his own, but we're paying a Cornerback Top 1 Corner money and rightly so.
valid points mike but you can't tell me they haven't been hurt by this. they will decline at safety and on the DL. losing Fox hurts too. Gaines is an average player who can plug in from time to time. I hope the young guys can stay healthy in the backfield and step up.
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Mike Schad 1st Rd wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 1:55 pm
ocram23 wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 12:27 pm valid points mike but you can't tell me they haven't been hurt by this. they will decline at safety and on the DL. losing Fox hurts too. Gaines is an average player who can plug in from time to time. I hope the young guys can stay healthy in the backfield and step up.
SJD can approximate Brockers. A Shawn Robinson is there too. Gaines improved greatly. Not that worried

We have more than enough good YOUNG Safety prospects for this not to hurt us. What did we Draft Rapp for?
and look what happened with Rapp last year
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ocram23 wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 2:27 pm
Mike Schad 1st Rd wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 1:55 pm SJD can approximate Brockers. A Shawn Robinson is there too. Gaines improved greatly. Not that worried

We have more than enough good YOUNG Safety prospects for this not to hurt us. What did we Draft Rapp for?
and look what happened with Rapp last year
He had a bad year last year. The talent is there. He should improve next year. Staff seem to think so, they didnt try to resign JJ.
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